>Certainly, with this report, you are nowhere close to having presented evidence for the extraordinary claim that "hardcore Islamic immigration" has created an epidemic of "honor killings".
Notice how the word "epidemic" (and thus the rendering of my claim as "extraordinary") is yours.
I only said that honor killings "have been re-introduced as a practice" in Europe [1] due to fundamental muslim immigrants, which is neither extraordinary nor up to argument.
Seems like the word "sketchy" has also been thrown around a lot aiming to delegitimize any claim that such things can and do happen nowadays in Europe and based of specific, religious and regional based, cultural values.
For all the sketchiness in favor of over-reporting such things that you mention, there's as much an underreporting out of fear of looking as culturally insensitive/racist/etc, and out of lack of access (of social workers, police, etc) in those communities.
And this is not some fringe right-wing publication I've linked to, this is an official EU briefing report.
And it makes total sense that the difference between "an honor crime and domestic violence is cultural intent", since by definition a honor killing is a cultural act, based on the idea that one's status/standing in the community has been compromised because of the behavior of its daughter, children, etc. Domestic abuse is a more widespread umbrella category. You can have domestic abuse without honor crimes. Or you can practice various kinds of domestic abuse AND honor crimes (which is often the case in families that would consider honor crimes acceptable). Domestic violence is indeed highly prevalent across Europe and the US, but it is also highly prevalent across subcultures that consider "honor crimes" an acceptable practice.
[1] This also shows that I have no problem to admit that those were once a common enough practice by christian Europeans too. It has been on the wane all through the 20th century, though, before being reignited by newly arrived populations.
Most domestic abusers make some sort of excuse --- the victim is always "asking for it" somehow. Only when that excuse involves some kind of foreign culture do we separate it out of the morass of all domestic violence into a scary new "honor crime" category.
>Only when that excuse involves some kind of foreign culture do we separate it out of the morass of all domestic violence into a scary new "honor crime" category.
There's nothing new about "honor crime". We had that in Europe, by Europeans, for ages, and it was a common enough practice up until quite recently (up until the 50s or so). There are lots of studies about honor crimes and the relevant cultural notions behind them.
As for the cultural connection is in there by definition. The "honor" part implies a cultural impetus about what's "honorable" and how a daughter/son/wife/etc should behave, that is not the same as the personal motives (e.g. jealousy, feeling of inadequacy, etc) for general domestic abuse.
In other words, it's a special case of domestic abuse, with it's own, long, history.
And it's by no means invoked only "when that excuse involves some kind of foreign culture". It might seem like that to someone from a place with no major cultural history of "honor" codes and "honor crimes", but in several cultures in Europe, e.g. in Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., honor crimes were a thing (and occasionally pop up still), and we still clearly differentiate them from domestic abuse, have different terms for them etc. In our own country and culture -- no second culture involved.
(Wikipedia: "Honour in the Mediterranean world is a code of conduct, a way of life and an ideal of the social order, which defines the lives, the customs and the values of many of the peoples in the Mediterranean moral") -- as a mediterranean, this is quite accurate.
This is a lot of words, respectfully, none of which respond to my point. I have no trouble believing that Europeans have spent many decades ostracizing people from West Asia.
I know I'm repeating myself but I want to be clear: I'm not apologizing for "honor crimes". I'm suggesting that West Asia and Western Europe share a pattern of violent abuse, but call them different things, and that Europe exploits that to deflect attention to domestic violence by blaming things on the lurid crimes of immigrants.
There are xenophobes that use the term HBV to push their own murky agenda. That’s wrong. But when women from e.g. Kurdistan report about HBV I believe that their stories are worth listening to and taking serious. If we want to do something about these issues we first need to understand them.
Notice how the word "epidemic" (and thus the rendering of my claim as "extraordinary") is yours.
I only said that honor killings "have been re-introduced as a practice" in Europe [1] due to fundamental muslim immigrants, which is neither extraordinary nor up to argument.
Seems like the word "sketchy" has also been thrown around a lot aiming to delegitimize any claim that such things can and do happen nowadays in Europe and based of specific, religious and regional based, cultural values.
For all the sketchiness in favor of over-reporting such things that you mention, there's as much an underreporting out of fear of looking as culturally insensitive/racist/etc, and out of lack of access (of social workers, police, etc) in those communities.
And this is not some fringe right-wing publication I've linked to, this is an official EU briefing report.
And it makes total sense that the difference between "an honor crime and domestic violence is cultural intent", since by definition a honor killing is a cultural act, based on the idea that one's status/standing in the community has been compromised because of the behavior of its daughter, children, etc. Domestic abuse is a more widespread umbrella category. You can have domestic abuse without honor crimes. Or you can practice various kinds of domestic abuse AND honor crimes (which is often the case in families that would consider honor crimes acceptable). Domestic violence is indeed highly prevalent across Europe and the US, but it is also highly prevalent across subcultures that consider "honor crimes" an acceptable practice.
[1] This also shows that I have no problem to admit that those were once a common enough practice by christian Europeans too. It has been on the wane all through the 20th century, though, before being reignited by newly arrived populations.