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Germans also flee to Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, UK, US and just about any other interesting country. I live here in Germany and last year was living in London for a year so I've seen these arguments before.

Please allow me to say that this isn't a perfect land and that "hate speech" is indeed abused to silence the masses (especially regarding fake refugees). However can guarantee you that it is no police state, especially when compared to the UK where everything is controlled and monitored heavily (nanny state).

As for conquering Europe, in the end its all about business. You're blaming other countries when they understand the game and score well on it.




> Please allow me to say that this isn't a perfect land and that "hate speech" is indeed abused to silence the masses (especially regarding fake refugees). However can guarantee you that it is no police state, especially when compared to the UK where everything is controlled and monitored heavily (nanny state).

Also agree with this, they really need to get back the better parts of their tradition. They had Mill, and now they hardly go a year without somebody suggesting universal key escrow or something worse. That said, becoming more continental is not going to help with their nanny state problem.

It's lovely that Germany is not a police state yet.

> As for conquering Europe, in the end its all about business. You're blaming other countries when they understand the game and score well on it.

I agree, which is why I don't think it's in Britons' best interest to give the German establishment what they want.

I wouldn't live in the UK for exactly the reasons you describe, I just don't think more continentalism is going to help alleviate the problems they do have.


Really sad for the UK direction. Had many friends talking proudly of their goal for a completely isolated/fortified main island.

I was living in London exactly when Brexit happened, so I understand the reasons and respect them. You're right, an exit might be the best for preserving independence and (hopefully) bring economical growth.

Its just that I was born under the EU and grew up with a positive image of what is being built, later growing up and seeing in more detail the good or bad things.

My own country (Portugal) has been affected heavily by Germany and France. However, a thing that I've learned while living in Germany is that their internal politics are even MORE aggressive. Incompetence and failure are fatal in anyones' career around here, so the government officials rising to top don't play around. If one even tries to be corrupt, that person won't last as there exists little complacency. In overall this makes their machine very efficient. Just compare to the UK and the endless NHS discussions.

When Germans seat at a negotiation table, they crush our own politicians from Portugal, making them look like amateurs. I don't fault Germany for having success with EU, I look at our own people so that we can learn and match this game.




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