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Kinda off-topic: I own a Renault Zoe, which is an EV hatchback that you can get second-hand for about £4k, and also a Tesla Model X 90D.

People get far too excited by Tesla's brand, when there are really competitive EVs out there.

Feel free to AMA about EVs or how mine compare.




How is the charging time and mileage on Zoe vs. Model X?


At home we have a 7kW charger (the most we could get without having to change either the main fuseboard in the house, or have stuff dug up).

That gives the Zoe a charge-time of just over three hours (as we have a 22kWh battery) versus over 13 hours for the Model X. That's 35 miles of charge an hour for the Zoe, and 21 miles of charge an hour for the Model X.

The Zoe can fast-charge at up to 43kW on motorway service stations, whilst the Model X and charge at 120kW. In the UK there are way more locations with fast-chargers the Zoe can use than there are Tesla superchargers.


The Zoes have either 22kWh or 41kWh battery packs (for respectively 150 and 250 miles NDEC, so an effective ~115 and 190 miles). Xs have 90kWh battery packs.

As with Teslas, charging time depends on the charger's powerand whether you want 80% or 100%.

Zoes support chargers up to 43kW and home chargers up to 22kW ("Wallbox"), Tesla's superchargers are 120kW and home chargers are up to 19.2kW (though IIRC that requires the $k High Amperage Charger Upgrade)


Well, that's because Tesla was they one who started actively pushing world in this direction. You can buy this Renault Zoe now probably in large part because of Tesla. Also, Tesla is one of the rare electric cars that looks good, it seems other manufacturers are trying visually separate hybrid/electric from regular cars, and don't give them same design.


I think that's the opposite, Renault was making consumer market electric cars before Tesla (and more accessible as well).


Totally agree. There's no way I could've afforded a Tesla when we got the Zoe, four years ago. Including the battery rental the Zoe was £225/month, with a first payment of £5,000.

I've only been able to get the Model X because I've been irresponsible with money, and because we IT folk get paid more than we're worth to society.


I don't think this is true (not the accessible part of course). Renault started to sell Zoe in 2012, Tesla Roadster was selling for 4 years at that time and Tesla Inc was releasing new model. I don't say that Tesla single handedly pushed electric cars forward, but it draw a lot of attention to it, like Toyota Prius sparked attention to hybrid cars before that. Before 2010 electric car was treated mostly as a freaky concepts and sales were almost non-existent.


Renault were selling the all-electric Fluence in 2011. I'd suggest Nissan probably did more for EV than anyone else with the Leaf.


At that price I'm pretty sure the battery is not sold with it, which means you need to pay a rent subscription for it. In France this rent monthly cost for a ZOE battery is about 50 euros a month


Yep, that's probably right. I'm not sure what the second-hand prices for the iZoe (with the battery included) are.


AFAIK you need to rent the Zoe battery either way.


This is not correct. In 2015 Renault introduced the option to buy the battery outright.


Whats the khw on the zoe?


Do you mean kWh, the battery's capacity?

Either 22 or 41.


Mine is 22. I'm wondering whether to upgrade the Zoe to a 41kWh now it's at the end of its finance agreement, or just keep the one I've got.


Oh yeah I meant kWh




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