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I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

The compiler does make the author pause: dangerous types like `*mut T and `UnsafeCell<T>` are not Sync, so types containing them are also not automatically Sync.

In any case, Rust only guarantees no memory unsafety (requiring no data races). It tries to help with other things, like cleaning up resources via destructors, but these are "best-effort" rather than guarantees. The only way to get a data race and/or memory unsafety with an automatically implemented Sync is with `unsafe` code, and any `unsafe` code near a data type "infects" it and so means the whole type require great care.

Tooling like asan and tsan and, hopefully, Rust-specific sanitizers and static analyzers will make this easier to get right, but fundamentally as soon as `unsafe` comes into the equation the programmer has to be paranoid. Of course, as the MutexGuard problem indicates, humans getting it right error-prone, which is why the aforementioned tooling and formal proofs---like the one that found that problem---are important, as is building and using appropriate abstractions (e.g. MutexGuard is semantically designed to be a &mut T, so maybe it could indicate this by using PhantomData, or even just storing that directly: this does require manual work, but pushing conventions like that might bridge help the gap to having great `unsafe` tooling in future).




I suppose my point was that auto-deriving Sync may not have been such a great idea :). I understand the rationale for it but it does open up traps for people to fall into.




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