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> Let's define socialism as the collective control and ownership of the means of production and their profits

> I care deeply about individual freedom and not having some collective telling me how I should live my life

Indeed, you're critiquing an inherent characteristic of socialism, that you even mentioned in your own definition in the first quote. Good so far.

> capitalism as the private ownership of these things

> I care a lot about social justice and not having the rich and powerful grind the poor for personal profit.

... Wait what? Capitalism doesn't prevent social justice and doesn't mean that the rich and powerful grind the poor for personal profit.

This is a textbook false equivalency.

> At some point the state has to intervene to enable some redistribution of wealth.

Not really, in a true capitalist society the producers would know that they need consumers or else they'll lose their income, it's self-correcting. A state is tangential to that.

The reason the USA might or might not be going into a totalitarian oligarchy is because of the state, not in spite of it.




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