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"two states better known for philandering politicians and restrictive voter ID laws than progressive politics"

What does this quip add to the article? Was it a necessary insult? Would the author make the same type of insult about Oregon and California?




To add some levity. It's an opinion piece, not a feature article. The whole subject is a bit ridiculous to begin with, so the quip is in the spirit of the subject. Think of it like late show talk hosts.

Not everything is always lawyer speak. Sometimes, jokes are okay.

And yes, in an article about prop 64, a similar remark might very well be found about California.


Jokes I'm fine with, I just don't respect authors who go out of their way to insult folks. I think clock_tower's comment has quite a bit of truth in it. I would imagine the doctor from the story didn't find the whole subject ridiculous.

> And yes, in an article about prop 64, a similar remark might very well be found about California.

I very much doubt that.


Jokes I'm fine with, I just don't respect authors who go out of their way to insult folks.

But both of the Carolinas have passed or attempted to pass needlessly restrictive Voter ID laws. So perhaps we should consider it "unnecessary commentary" or "snark" instead of an insult?


Requiring ID to exercise the right to vote is no more 'needlessly restrictive' than requiring it to exercise the right to bear arms or the right to drink. Canada, Germany, Switzerland & the Netherlands are among the countries which require ID to vote, and none of those is a dark dystopia of voter restriction.


I would be completely fine with requiring ID to vote if that ID was provided to you at birth or the age of majority, maintained at little to no cost by the state, and was convenient to replace or update due to marital or name change.

Instead, the states that are implementing voter ID laws are primarily states that used techniques like poll tests to disenfranchise minority voters, have limited access to ID issuing facilities in areas where voters tend to lack ID, and require documentation for issuance that people may not possess.

Seen through that lens, it's difficult to see America's regional interest in voter ID as anything other than a disingenuous attempt to continue to disenfranchise minority voters.


Sorry, no, that argument is baseless and "fake news" to coin the term. Anyone who looks into it or lives in the state knows it's so easy to get an ID in NC and you have months to get it done between election days. It's even free if it's not tied to a DL. It's seriously no harder than registering to vote, and you can do both at the same time.

https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

Most of the commentary about voter ID laws here is from ignorant politically motivated journalists who find it easy to look down and judge southern states because everything they're doing must be racist and we're morally superior in every way. They don't even bother to look at what it's arguing. Sorry, but it gets a little tiring, and when it comes to this attitude of regarding southerners as ignorant and prejudice it's often the most ironic example of the pot calling the kettle black. It's harder to do something so basic as get utilities turned on in a new apartment to say nothing of a passport, and an ID would be required anyway for that, that anyone of basic competence can do it and it isn't some great imposition on them. It's not a literacy test or requiring proof of land ownership or anything like that.


Then why aren't all the businesses and banks and insurance companies who also require an ID not being prosecuted for placing an undue burden on minorities. If what you are saying is right, then it should be an open-and-shut case. Right?


Regarding the Netherlands, everyone aged 14 or older is required to always carry ID. This means that here, voter ID laws won't be restrictive because essentially everyone has ID. Germany also seems to have similar laws.

The point being, whether voter ID is restrictive depends on how widespread accepted ID is, and what the barriers to getting such ID are. I recall that, much like gerrymandering, there are cases where US state legislators explicitly demanded demographic information on ID ownership before moving forward with voter ID laws.

That is to say, there isn't just correlation between voter-id proposals and partisan advantage, there are clear signs of actual intent.


Those countries didn't specifically design their ID requirements to prevent black people from voting like the Carolinas were proven in court to have done.


It is needlessly restrictive when the system is simultaneously designed to make it difficult for specific parts of the populace to get identification and when its enforcement is not uniform but selective.

Furthermore, in the absence of any widespread voter fraud, what purpose does it serve or accomplish other than to intimidate or disenfranchise voters? Voter ID only makes sense when there are concerns about fraudulent activity.


Huh, as someone who grew up in SC, I think it's a reasonable joke to make.


It stuck out to me too. I think it may be the case that the writers at NYT legitimately believe that any responsible adult is a progressive, and if you aren't a progressive, then you're probably one step away from being declared incompetent.

It's not so much the insult to the states, but equating of solving problems in a mature manner with progressive politics. There doesn't seem to be any wealth redistribution or protection of underprivileged groups involved, so I'm not sure what's progressive about it.


This is an op-ed written by an outside contributor, not a writer at the New York Times.


"talking it out" rather than "us versus them conflict" (court) is the 'progressive' thing. Mediation over strongest-takes-all. It doesn't have to be about welfare or underprivileged groups to be progressive; that's a conservative canard. Look at marijuana legalisation, for example.


It's the NYT playing to their audience, who would be surprised and put off if there wasn't at least one insult in an article on two red states.


I'm not sure that I agree with the part about restrictive voter ID laws, specifically with regard to South Carolina.

But I still found it funny. It didn't seem out of place to me at all as a SC resident.


It's the New York Times. Do you really have to ask?


>Was it a necessary insult?

Arguably, yes.


Please, argue the point.




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