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But can you make a website with the same knowledge ? Can you make it portable to other OS ? Can you reuse 20 years of knowledge, resources and libs ? Can you hire tomorrow 10 experts to help you on it ?

Quality of the tech is NOT the drive for success here. You are missing the point.




>Quality of the tech is NOT the drive for success here. You are missing the point.

Well, maybe it's better to miss the point, than to succeed by selling crap to people who deserve better?

When are technies gonna stand up for quality of tech?


Oh I do agree, it's just the debate is all about being a critic of electron instead of providing viable alternative.


> When are technies gonna stand up for quality of tech?

When the user notices a quality difference?


People used crashy, buggy, slow software for years. Photoshop and Office lost you data on a regular basis in the 2000's. Windows BSD was a common occurrence then. We didn't see a massive exodus to Mac products because of that. The only reason people started to go crazy for Apple was after the iPod came out. And even then, it was still a small part of the market.

You can see everyday that people favor cheapness, easiness and convenience over quality. You would not have so much junk food otherwise.


>You can see everyday that people favor cheapness, easiness and convenience over quality.

What I'm saying is "it shouldn't matter" what people favor.

Professionals should still favor quality, even if their customers would just as well have crap (or are ok with crap when its all they can find).


> But can you make a website with the same knowledge ?

One of my first commercial projects was a web-content management system written in Objective-C. Customers included Siemens and the German Bundestag.

Another couple of projects were written in WebObjects. If I wanted to, I could use Cappuccino, but I am not a big fan of web//client apps, so I don't.

> Can you make it portable to other OS ?

This product ran on: Solaris, AIX, NeXTStep, Linux, OS X. I think we also had a Windows port.

> Can you reuse 20 years of knowledge, resources and libs ?

In the sense you meant it: yes. Except it's more like 30 years. However, programming skills are (or should be) transportable. With virtually no previous experience, I became lead/architect on a Java project, which succeeded beyond anyone's imagination.

> Can you hire tomorrow 10 experts to help you on it ?

Is this a serious question?


This is a bad faith answer.

>One of my first commercial projects was a web-content management system written in Objective-C

You certainly didn't use any of your cocoa widget for the UI there. It was HTML + CSS.

> This product ran on: Solaris, AIX, NeXTStep, Linux, OS X. I think we also had a Windows port.

Yeah, GNU steps for GUI on windows... This is what you think could be an argument for electron users ?

> In the sense you meant it: yes. Except it's more like 30 years.

Again bad faith. The world has way, way more code, snippets, tutorials and doc about any HTML + CSS + JS code than any tech based on Objective-C.

Programming knowledge is transferrable, but the knowledge of the ecosystem is not, and is always the most consumming.

> Is this a serious question?

Oh yes, it is. Because you see we are living an era where it's hard to find any good programmer at all for anything. They are all taken, and are very expensive.

So basically, on a tech limited to one ecosystem, finding them will be even harder, and even more expensive.

The simple fact that you are pretending it's no big deal (while any company will tell you otherwise, so much that the GAFAs are spending millions just in their recruitment process) illustrate how much a troll you are.


> This is a bad faith answer.

It most certainly is not. You just don't know what you're talking about and keep making up new stuff when confronted with actual facts that contradict your fervently held beliefs.




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