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this might be instructive

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oczc7g4979s95k/the%20political%20...

now place on Overton Window (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) on that chart such that its left end goes over Steven Pinker and its right end goes over Donald Trump and you have the political spectrum, as it is currently discussed in American mainstream media.




I'm going to go ahead and ignore something so incredibly biased that it places Barack Obama and Joseph Stalin on the "far right". That's la-la land extremist.


it puts Obama on "the right" and Stalin on "the extreme right". that sounds correct to me.

you should actually read it and think about why it is constructed that way. if your first reaction to seeing a perspective you're unfamiliar with is "that's la-la land extremist" then you might have a bias problem.


What makes you think I'm not familiar with the far left perspective? I'm very familiar with it.

If you think putting communist dictator Joseph Stalin on the extreme right means you have a nuanced, holistic view of the left-right spectrum then yes, you're a moonbat extremist. You'll note that right wing extremists will do a similar trick, and claim Hitler was a leftist.


please, hear me out. you're already defensive and dismissive and I'm asking you to suspend that for a minute and think about it.

where did you learn that Stalin is left wing? Who told you that? Is it because the USSR was nominally communist (in some strange version of communism in which totalitarian state capitalism is the actual system, anyway) and so any leader of nominally communist nation is left wing because communism is left wing?

Now compare the actual policies and actions of Stalin to the policies and actions of other leaders that he is most similar to. I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that Stalin's regime was a brutal, repressive, totalitarian dictatorship. A lot like Hitler's regime actually.

Now when you're drawing a political spectrum do you think we ought to pay attention to abstract statements about ideology or should we pay more attention to policies and actions? Is a political spectrum best organized by abstract ideology (in which case, yes, Nazism is left wing, it was a socialist party after all) or by what actually happened?

What's more "moonbat"? Putting two similar leaders (Hitler and Stalin) on opposite ends of a spectrum or putting them near each other on that spectrum?

There's really only one flaw with the chart that I linked. It's that it continues to use the terms "left" and "right" even though it has rearranged groupings to match policies and actions. Would you feel differently about it if instead of left it said "liberation" and instead of right it said "domination"?




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