On: Why we are not leaving the cloud

[emodendroket]

> The cloud isn't a money-saving tactic.

If it requires no or a smaller ops team then it seems like it might be.

[gpapilion → emodendroket]

Generally you're hitting the cheap part of your ops team. The rack and stack, and dc technicians. You start seeing the real savings when you move up to using higher services like managed databases, and analytics engines.

[variant → gpapilion]

I think that's right. We tend to see fragmentation w/ our hybrid approach. Teams doing DevOps type stuff with VMware/vRA on internal hardware and also on AWS/Azure. "Customers" of each environment also tend to be different so priority conflicts arise.

Could be solved by more staffing, I suppose...

[emodendroket → gpapilion]

Anecdotally, I used to be on a two-man team and switching to Azure made life insanely better.

[stephenr → emodendroket]

> If it requires no or a smaller ops team then it seems like it might be.

If you needed a team to manage it before, you still need Ops with "the cloud"