Usually ... I find many people can make nightmares for all kinds of reasons ... but for me, usually, people who have a strong sense of what they want and they have a strong sense that they want it to be "good" but only have a basic coding skills. They don't end up with nightmares, possibly slightly strange things, but they tend to adopt coding advice in a considered manner and start growing their coding capability. The biggest problems there comes when the person is dealing with frameworks which have concepts beyond their current coding capability.
I think we see at the other end of the spectrum with the frameworks, languages and software we really like, they are done by people who really want their end result to have this quality of "good" and are very considered. They leverage their coding ability to great effect.
(lua and its implementation is a good example of this )
I think when we see your more run of the mill business app where you spec -> implement, often you don't see good programming, often because no one super cares. It's just average programming. However, when someone starts thinking, well, applications like this should be super easy to put together and really starts to care that they are easy to do, then you'll see some good programming :)
I think we see at the other end of the spectrum with the frameworks, languages and software we really like, they are done by people who really want their end result to have this quality of "good" and are very considered. They leverage their coding ability to great effect.
(lua and its implementation is a good example of this )
I think when we see your more run of the mill business app where you spec -> implement, often you don't see good programming, often because no one super cares. It's just average programming. However, when someone starts thinking, well, applications like this should be super easy to put together and really starts to care that they are easy to do, then you'll see some good programming :)