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In Paris, you can get good senior developers for $100-150k, all inclusive. This includes job loss protection, health care, and the founders can keep their jobless allocation for the first couple of years of starting their company.

Also the investment tissue has considerably developped, the funding stages become a pain mostly at series C.

Honestly, I would be surprised if there is no VC development.




I'm an American senior developer who also happens to be fluent in French. I would kill to work in Paris, but every time I have looked the rates for senior engineers were 1/3 what you're describing and there's no way I'm moving for that.


I believe he meant 150k as the whole cost to the company for a decent engineer while in the end it's split like 80k of taxes and 70k of salary. The cost of living is a bit lower than in an expensive US city and of course you contribute directly to the social security system and much more. Hidden in all those taxes are the free healthcare, free education (including universities), up to two years of reduced salary if you lose your job, pension and much more...

While the number on the paper looks much lower, in reality your standard of living isn't much different.


A 70k salary on which the employee will see something like 50% taken out of the 70/12=5.83k paycheck every month.

The employee will see something less than 3k arrive every month, while it costs the company 150k per year.

This explains why you may not get the best and the brightests. (with these 30k per year you can fund you education, healthcare and unemployment)

Also, the cost of living in Paris may be less than NYC, SF, DC, but I think that's about it.


So moral of the story is get your free education in Paris and then get the F out to America where the wages are higher?

Also, every job I've ever had provided me with free health insurance. Not sure what the big deal with that is.


Close enough.

1) You get your [not really] free education in France not in Paris because it's crazy expensive [unless you live there with your family who own something].

2) Get your master [you can only do master level here and everything else is highly underated].

3) You try to leave to America and you can't because H1B are crazy impossible to get.

4) You move to London.

5) You realize your master is useless there and you could have got all the same with only a bachelor, save the money and a few years of your life.

6) You go back to France once a year for the engineer school job fairs to recruit interns and help Frenchies leave their country.


150k is the fully loaded all inclusive cost (and in France, that a lot of inclusive) to the employer, so 50k being the salary part is consistent with that.


For senior developers in Paris the median may be around 50-60, (most of software engineer jobs are in consultancies) but there are tech companies that pay up to twice as much . I know mine does, and is looking for developers from all around the world, if you're interested :)


Obviously. You are at Criteo?

I don't think it's fair to say "there are" when "there IS" only a single company that pays this kind of money in Paris.


Got me. That being said there's been quite a lot of funding happening in Paris lately, and there are a few French companies (some of them startups) which are starting to match Criteo's compensations.


Murex, eFront, Theodo, Smart AdServer, SAP, Streamroot, Klee Group …

Basically all the companies I know someone in pays this kind of salary to people with 3 to 5 years of experience ! Are we really living in the same city ?


Let's just clarify.

I was referring to the "twice as much" in "around 50-60 [...] but there are tech companies that pay up to twice as much "

Are you saying that these companies pay 50-60k€ or 100-120k€ for people with 3-5 years experience?


Oh, I misunderstood your statement. These companies pay 50-60k€ for people with 3-5 years experience.


Right. Now you hopefully see the difference between what they would like to pay and what they will have pay [to bring back top French talent from abroad] ;)


The numbers I give are to be understood from employer pov, with the highest salary tiers and office space.

It is not what the dev receives(which would be 50-75k€).




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