As a Brazilian I can say this article is full of misinformation regarding current political events.
The "coup" allegations are nothing but ridiculous. What kind of coups is done with ample defense opportunity and full validation of the Supreme Court? There's nothing flimsy about the fiscal fraud committed by the soon to be former president. And while this is not being considered for the impeachment process (because it happened after it had began), she is under investigation for obstruction of justice (for nominating Lula a minister in the hopes of escaping the corruption investigations), and people who worked for her party and who are now in jail have confirmed she was fully aware of the corruption scheme and money laundering in the form of campaign donations.
It's funny because in 92 the same politicians who are now claiming a coup is going on have voted in favor of impeachment on much lighter claims against the president at the time (including the same nonsense speeches as house members voted in congress).
The part about the outrage for the the end of the Ministry of Culture shows a lot of what's wrong with Brazil: everyone wants their own government tit to suck from. As if culture can be created by government bureocrats.
No wonder the previous government's cabinet had 38 ministries, including the Ministry of Fishing. At least it didn't come to a point where we had a Ministry of Happiness like in Venezuela.
> _What kind of coups is done with ample defense opportunity and full validation of the Supreme Court?_
Ermmm.. defense opportunity? A totally partisan-biased Supreme Court does not leave much for a defense strategy. That's like putting Benghazi to be judged by the GOP.
>_It's funny because in 92 the same politicians who are now claiming a coup is going on have voted in favor of impeachment_
Maybe because they're being consistent on their stances?
Yes. Multiple opportunities for the defense to expose its views and interview witnesses, both in congress and senate.
> A totally partisan-biased Supreme Court
The majority of the current Supreme Court has been appointed by in the Lula and Dilma governments and are strongly tied to their party, including a former lawyer of a party member who is now in jail.
If there's any bias, it's in favor of the accused.
The defense had N opportunities to proof (and they proved) that Rousseff didn't commit any crime. But it doesn't matter, because it's not a real judgement. It's a theatrical judgement for stupid guys like you to have a justificativa. But yeah, no stupid personagens believe it. It was a coup. And I should have Said, in the beginning, first thing: Temer out.
Thanks for the ad hominem, it shows the depth of your arguments.
LOL at "Temer out". This is really all that you people know how to do, right? "Itamar out", "FHC out", "Temer out"... It's only a coup attempt when it turns against you.
:-) there's some argument that could be used, but people don't know enough to use then except for the "that's a coup", "temer out" or any other crying...
Yet people are conditioned in schools to love the state and hate the "all evil" capitalism.
In Brazil it's political suicide to suggest cutting government expenses such as bloated programs and agencies (even though they are known to be infested by corruption). People are hit hard by our extremely high taxes but don't make the connection to the government inefficacy and corruption. They keep asking for more government services and programs. People hate our postal service (which has a monopoly on some sorts of deliveries), yet freak out at the idea of opening it to the free market.
The current president attempted to end the "ministry of culture" (which basically is a money gateway from our pockets to already-rich artists with political connections) and replace it with a smaller department. Teachers and university students brainwashed by the state-worshiping religion kept protesting until the president gave up and bought the ministry back. That has been happening to all his attempts at fixing things.
Perfect reading and reproduction of the market-fundamentalist-pamphlet! Who are you to call anyone brainwashed? Talking in truisms, uncharitable to any disagreeing point of view, turning anyone who opposes your points of view into caricatures. Give me a break.
It's funny how idiots here in Brazil thinks that the neoliberalism BS is a serious econômica thesis. Parent post probably studied in a federal university, but hates "big bad state".
Well I think the biggest problem is that we're not really used to reading and trying to understand stuff more deeply, and debating etc so we need simple truths to cling to and for quite a long time there was something homogeneous here, everybody had the same information, everybody watched Jornal Nacional and Novelas, etc. But when you start to read and honestly try to develop understanding of stuff you need to deal with conflicting ideas without cracking lol, and you start to see it's a lot of work and it takes time... But this shouldn't be something for "college people" only, it should be for everyone(and I'm not one of the humanities or who is from the universities). But now we're getting anti-intellectual like the US...
I'm sorry, but I can't see how being pro free markets is being anti intellectual. Using myself as an example, I used to believe government intervention was usually a good thing if done right. But then this whole mess happened in Brazil and I started to actually study economics to understand what was going on, and that changed my view completely.
Economics is not the only issue at play in this whole thing, there's a lot more. This talk of "state worship", "school indoctrination", plus the all sorts of mcarthism, left-dehumanizing(also important to note: center-left) and etc is 100% pure authoritharianism. If you're capable of being charitable to different arguments, seeing the nuances, recognizing the valid points someone from another point-of-view can provide and etc it's one thing but there's a lot of people that are way over the edge.
Well, I do think Brazil has a serious problem with state worship and school indoctrination. I can't remember being exposed to any sort of liberal economics thinking when I was at school or in college. Many of my colleagues never really questioned the ideas they learned, and some of them deepened them during their college years. I don't think that pointing this out as a problem is dehumanizing nor authoritarian. For one, I'm completely against the "Escola sem Partido" project, because it is actually authoritarian and limits freedom of speech.
I do agree, though, that many people with right wing ideals dehumanize progressives, but those are more linked with the conservative and religious right than with libertarian or classical liberal ideals.
I consider myself a classical liberal and when exposing my views to left wing people have been called a fascist and many other adjectives that actually are dehumanizing and are the extreme opposite of what I believe in. I just don't care when people say that, because it just shows they don't have a clue of what my ideals are about and don't even care to listen.
Well, the burden of proof is on the accuser, if people can make the case objectively then of course something should be done and educators themselves should care about the integrity of the knowledge, but it's not as simple as that, to call someone indoctrinated or brainwashed or indocrinator/brainwasher/dishonest is quite a tall call IMO, it's easy to claim, backing it up is another story... The reality I see is that most people just take sides without really reading stuff in depth or don't care at all about politics and that's it, to me that's true for all and I didn't leave school with any defined political positioning, Personally, I don't think state worship is a thing and what I said to the other reply above applies here, too.
I'm not convinced and it was not my experience. Plus it doesn't make any sense, nobody actually worships the state so this is already politically charged wording with little substance and it's what is used to bash people with, not for sincere discussion. If people want to be taken seriously they should use precise and neutral language as much as possible.
You know what is meant when we say "worship the state". You can't be naive to the point of thinking we mean people kneeling in the altar of the state.
But there is an undeniable anti-market anti-individual freedom anti-conservatism bias in Brazilian schools. Examples of that are readily available if you google for it.
> that is until they have inflated themselves out of existence.
Inflation doesn't matter to socialists, because as long as the Mint's printers work they have all the cash they need to conduct a reverse osmosis on the nation's wealth directly into their cronies' pockets.
Then the cronies just save the money in some offshore bank, and the inflation works twice in their favor.
With socialism, the people is the only part getting the shaft. This has been like this for decades now.
Of course, with capitalism in most countries, exactly the same thing happens in reality... it's almost like when you have entities with huge amounts of power that are almost entirely disconnected from the population, the population gets the short end of the stick, no matter what propaganda is pushed on them.
I like how in Brazil the ones that really suck in government tits are the riches, but their sons keep coming here in HN to Tell that the problema is the expending with the poors.
For anyone trying to understand what's happening in Brazil and Venezuela, read about Foro de Sao Paulo [1], a socialist collective that is influencing politics since 1990.
Their leaders led Latin-American countries to social and economical disasters and now are facing impeachment or being replaced. The Kirchner family of Argentina were the first to fall after twelve years in power [2]. In Brazil, Dilma is standing the last phase of the impeachment trial after her party stood 14 years in power [3]. Maduro is trying everything to avoid to face a referendum that will get him removed from power [4].
To be fair, they got in power mainly because of the economical disasters generated by the neo-liberal governments in the nineties and early 2000's.
Argentina was led to the worst crisis in its history. So, most people here are really tired of the political class, both left and right being perceived as equally corrupt.
Yes, there are fanatical groups that support one or the other, but the vast majority just vote for the lesser evil... Kind of like how some people who I've talked to feel right now in the US, having to choose between Hillary and Trump...
The previous government had unemployment of 8.3% in its first year and 11.7% in its last year (and 12% inflation). PT was voted into power for a reason.
More than that. Try were voted for miraculous promises, took advantage of increased prices of commodities, and gave money in popular programs. Then lied about unemployment by changing criteria, kept controlled prices at popular levels against a long term development, and when this came out (like petrobras huge debt, and all money laundry), some people began to shout that it was "a coup", that all parties also stealed money and so PT shouldn't be punished etc.
It's also interesting that this coincides with a lot of other government regimes - Clintonism, Blairism, Putinism, etc.
The general structure of the world has been pretty similar since the 1990s, and as the years wear on we are finding out more and more how bankrupt both intellectually and morally it has been.
This article is spot on. There is an important detail that sounds like conspiracy theory and that bothers me as a brazilian: much of the extent of the economical crisis was orchestrated with propaganda by sectors of our society engulfed in corruption charges (from briberies to tax evasion) after the global drop in commodities prices and suddenly investments halted by market fear and a real crisis took place (and then a "market-friendly" politician took power to "reinstate growth", conveniently, and slowed down the anti-corruption drive).
There was a common headline at the time in newspapers: "apesar da crise", meaning "even though in a crisis", followed by the report of a new market/business sector record in profits.
I always saw my country as a place free of the type of conspiracy that vultures around US politics by pure incompetence of our own politicians to plan and execute things like that but the recent events gave me a reality check.
Why must they be exclusive? Propaganda is a classic justification for corruption, incompetence, and fraud. You need a place to encourage people to look that isn't where you are exploiting.
Agree completely, which is why the previous government had public companies (i.e. taxpayer money) spend millions to fund "progressive" blogs and other people working on social media to speak well of the government.
But I don't think this is what the parent poster was talking about.
Rightists like to oversimplify and make it as if anyone who disagrees with them is brainwashed and stupid, I think it's a shame. The biggest problem to me is that the political crisis only use it seems will be to hand power over to the other side, without fixing or changing anything, the corruption will stay the same and the little reforms that led us here are gonna be rolled back, the new ones in power are sure to work in the way of deepening the status-quo and making it harder for this to happen again(BUT without fixing it!). There's that quote that says "never waste a good crisis"... It's exactly what's going on and the most ignorant are unable to see it because any kind of contradiction means you're "brainwashed communist PTista". So fucking dumb.
I think your view of people who think differently from you is the one that's oversimplified.
This mentalitity of "everything will stay the same so let's do nothing" is harmful in my opinion. We must take down the current corrupt politicians, and if others replace them, we take them down too.
> There was a common headline at the time in newspapers: "apesar da crise", meaning "even though in a crisis", followed by the report of a new market/business sector record in profits.
A couple of months ago in a conversation with a Brazilian colleague of mine, who has been living in europe for some years now, the subject of Brazil's crisis popped up. He told me that, at least when compared with the economic crisis experienced in europe, Brazil's crisis was a crisis in name only, which barely had any impact on the economy in general and disposable income of the average brazilian in particular.
Now, having read your comment, I have to say that it fits precisely with the observations made by my brazilian colleague.
Your colleague is wrong. Deeply wrong. Crisis happens when unemployment is high (but government hides it, saying that anyone who is getting some governmental support isn't unemployed. And when prices rise. And when controlled prices are low against all the world market just to pump popularity...
There are so many wrong and deceptive comments here, at news.y, that it really makes me sad about how much illusion was sold in those 12 years of PT government, and how many years and generations it'll take to fix this up.
The thing is, Brazil's supposedly high unemployment rate peaks around 12%, which is quite close to structural unemployment.
Meanwhile in Spain the unemployment rate is around 22%.
You're unintentionally proved my point: Brazil's supposed crisis isn't a crisis at all when compared to what happened all across europe. A slight economic downturn doesn't make it a crisis.
My point is that this "12%" isn't real. It comes from the definition of "persons looking for a job and not finding one". A very precise definition that hides:
- all persons that had a job, lost it and now are just receiving help from the government (but aren't looking for a job)
- all those who are receiving benefits from the government to receive a minimum wage, and prefer to live in that situation than tho seek for a job
- the almost 50% (I think) that have informal jobs, so aren't looking for one but don't contribute to the government providence (the gov. account that provides money to the benefits)
Yes, I agree with you that it isn't like Spain. But it's because the govn. spent much money giving social benefits without some "financial exit" ahead.
Exactly like some people calling the changes a "coup" have their reasons, but it doesn't compare with what happened (or almost happened) in Turkey.
(And sorry if I can't express myself in a better way in English)
What makes it clear to me that it is a coup is that the provisional government plans to implement policies and pass legislation that would never have a chance in an election.
Which policies? Everyone has issues which are dearer to them.
Mostly, I find Dilma's policies insufficient. Especially social ones (there are only 14 countries more unequal than Brazil, out of 176). But I don't find them 'destructive'.
Destroying Petrobras? Destroying the electric sector? Destroying the value of our currency? Destroying growth and at the same time keeping high inflation?
You didn't answer the question though. Would it not be a coup if the new president defended policies which you consider "sufficient"?
> The rich want her out, the poor want her to stay put.
That's so oversimplified, it's laughable.
The middle class want her out and the poor never participated in politics in Brazil, and it's no different now.
The real rich always made money from the government either way, since big companies (banking, construction, telecom, you name it) either get incentives and legislation that help hold monopolies, or have the government as primary clients.
Author is apparently ignorant about Brazil's socio economics and history. Considering the praising of the rich left, artists and Niemeyer (self-proclaimed communist architect of Brasilia, considered today a failure in city planning), his analysis not only lack in depth but also balance.
The author likely interviewed public university Humanities professors about it all, and they defend PT and its failed policies above everything. They are even still in denial about Venezuela. Maybe they want us to become like it.
I'm very poor (my only comfort in life is my computer; have been using the same clothes for almost 10 years, commute for almost 2 hours on trains and buses to get to the "good parts" of my city etc.) and am I'm hit hard by Dilma and PT, because their policies ruined our economy and even fucking rice and beans (our staple food) is terribly expensive now (the dollar exchange rate is high as ever, so producers now prefer to export everything they can than selling locally).
As another Brazillian, let me offer an attempt at a more distanced take on the matter. Roussef's impeachment proceedings are motivated by alleged budget manipulation. I don't think there are many who would say the maneuvers in question were 100% kosher, but the question of whether it is a sound basis for impeaching an elected president is not a simple one. Renowned legal scholars differ on this point.
In particular, it is clear the congress voted for her ousting due to a series of reasons unrelated to the allegations. One reason is the dismal state of the economy, likely due in no small part to Roussef's policy decisions. Another reason is that a majority of politicians, from all major parties, are facing serious corruption charges from a large, unprecedented, investigation conducted by the federal police, and the impeachment acts as a diversionaty tactic (there are recordings proving this is not a conspiracy theory). Lastly, there is the usual power struggle, that is fiercer and more complex in an environment with many political parties.
In all, a complex scenario that does not bode well for the immediate future of the Brazilllian democracy.
I am not an economist, but it seems to me that Brazil's economic woes originated in the private sector. It simply became too leveraged in the boom years of Lula's government and couldn't handle the aftermath of the 2008 crash.
Dilma, on her part, gave in to the austerity camp (both left and right can't seem to give up this mentality) and made matters worse. In part, this was driven by inflation fear mongering by the media.
She only gave in to "austerity" after the federal government financial situation became unsustainable. Even then, the spending cuts were minimal.
The economy was already slowing down in 2011, and Roussef's government lowered interest rates and started giving subsidies to certain sectors and companies in order to stimulate economic activity. Some economists said this was a bad idea with potential disastrous consequences considering the global slowdown that was happening. IMHO, they were spot on. The private companies that went under since then were mostly the ones that were financed by public money. It was a failure of cronyism.
Exactly, austerity was applied only on the demand side (social spending and infrastructure), but the problem was precisely the demand side. The private sector didn't need more loans or tax cuts, they needed customers and profits.
Most of the budget is fixed by law, so those were pretty much the only areas where costs could be cut. Social and infrastructure spending was actually record high before the crisis hit, so to say everything was caused by austerity is misleading.
Well, I didn't say everything was caused by austerity. I said austerity made it worse.
Social and infrastructure spending might have been high, but I think they were actually insufficient. Politics and economics are too skewed to the right in Brazil. Look at our budget surpluses for the last few decades:
It is a matter of personal opinion, after all. Anyway, I took the trouble to enumerate the ten largest parties in the brazilian congress and got their political position from Wikipedia (so as not to corrupt it with my own ideas):
PT - Centre-left;
PMDB - Centre;
PSDB - Centre (implemented neoliberal agenda in the 1990s);
PP - Centre-right/Right;
PSD - Centre-right;
PR - Centre;
PSB - Centre-left/Left;
PTB - Centre;
DEM - Centre-right (this I find hard to believe);
PRB - Centre-right.
> the question of whether it is a sound basis for impeaching an elected president is not a simple one. Renowned legal scholars differ on this point.
The fiscal responsibility law is a thing. Governors and mayors have been taken down from office for much less.
These "renowned scholars" that you mention are all tied to the workers party so their views are absolutely biased. Even the Bar order of Brazil, knowingly left leaning and pro-workers party has declared support for impeachment.
> In all, a complex scenario that does not bode well for the immediate future of the Brazilllian democracy.
How come? This is democracy in action. The law and the constitution are being followed to the letter.
Impossible to address your first point without going into personal opinions, not fit for this forum.
About the other point, regarding the future of the country, I did not mean the impeachment going through would undermine our democracy - this sort of discussion has no place here. Just that the overall economical and political landscape is cloudy at best. Operation java-jato is likely a good thing, but a "Mani Pulite"-like outcome, with corrupt politicians passing essentially pro-corruption laws, and the ascension of an inept "strongman" (in italy it was Berlusconi) is something that can easily happen in the coming years.
It is and always was the reflect of a dysfunctional view of society. One fit for the military dictatorships of its time. One with no concern for mass transport, housing and entertainment (even as the 60s where when metro started in Rio and São Paulo).
It is where by design one would live the closest to the artificial lakes and best public infrastructure according to the position it has on the State administration.
With no place though for the supporting people, who ended living in rings of poverty around the designed opulence. Going on-and-of during hours everyday to serve the rich bureaucrats they support.
Actually, you can, Niemeyer and Co. (Corbusier, Moses, etc.) were responsible for this prioritization. There was the silly dream that people should adjust to city planning, and not the other way around.
Lucky, modernist city planning died out in most of the world. One only needs to walk through Brasilia or the suburbs of Paris to see the abomination that it became:
"...the car would abolish the human street, and possibly the human foot. Some people would have aeroplanes too. The one thing no one would have is a place to bump into each other, walk the dog, strut, one of the hundred random things that people do ... being random was loathed by Le Corbusier ... its inhabitants surrender their freedom of movement to the omnipresent architect."
A good article, aside from the art world/gallery angle which didn't speak to me. At least in regards to the Car Wash investigation, there is some sentiment in Brazil that the country will get better once the old system gets flushed out. It's a bit of a tall order, though, as corruption exists on many levels.
There was a study a few years back showing how most Brazilians have a high distrust of each other, save for family and friends, meaning there's an individualism that prevails in regards to the former and an extreme cohesiveness with the latter (something I found to be true in my several years living there).
On another note, most Brazilians aren't patriotic [read: proud] -- something that, according to Brazilian anthropologist Roberto DaMatta, requires a coming-together of positive feelings regarding culture and the State (imagine a Venn Diagram where the middle section is patriotism and then imagine one where the two circles don't even intersect -- the latter is Brazil, according to DaMatta). There are countless reasons to be proud of their cultural diversity and output, but seemingly very few reasons to be proud of the State.
Brazilian economist Eduardo Giannetti, who recently published his book Trópicos Utópicos (Utopic Tropics), had the following to say about the current climate in Brazil in a recent El Pais article (from which I'm translating):
"Brazilians society is very individualistic, we have a lot of difficulty with anything related to collective action and organization. These protest movements, for example, are eruptions. They don't have any consistency or continuity, they are emotional explosions without any kind of commitment to unfolding or to [be made into a] project. In addition, Brazil has as an abstract aspirational reference to attain American affluence, but they are not prepared in their daily lives for the degree of commitment, dedication and discipline of work. It's like the Greeks wanting to live at a German standard without having German productivity. This doesn't add up. For a while cash transfers allowed this trick, but at some point it stops working. The new element in the world we are in now is that what was an ethical critique has now become an objective, biological question of survival. Reality has been imposed. Nature has limits. And not only external nature, but also the inner nature of man. This calculative civilizing, aggressively competitive, process based on the permanent logic of productivity attacks something very deep in the archaic psyche of the human being. He does not accept this well. There is a widespread malaise, a discontent with some valuable thing in life that is lost in this model. And Brazil, even with its slowness, maintains an even less damaging relationship with this deep psyche of our evolutionary past. Our emotional celebration of life is something we have to know how to cherish. It is a gift. We must recognize that Brazilian potential, to seek out a path that is ours and that reflects our values. We are fully capable of living at their level. In art and popular music we already attain this expression. What's missing is to translate it into practical life."
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If anyone wants to see one of Niemeyer's rather abstract Brasília in Ruins paintings, it's here http://i.imgur.com/uY2gzKk.jpg
The "coup" allegations are nothing but ridiculous. What kind of coups is done with ample defense opportunity and full validation of the Supreme Court? There's nothing flimsy about the fiscal fraud committed by the soon to be former president. And while this is not being considered for the impeachment process (because it happened after it had began), she is under investigation for obstruction of justice (for nominating Lula a minister in the hopes of escaping the corruption investigations), and people who worked for her party and who are now in jail have confirmed she was fully aware of the corruption scheme and money laundering in the form of campaign donations.
It's funny because in 92 the same politicians who are now claiming a coup is going on have voted in favor of impeachment on much lighter claims against the president at the time (including the same nonsense speeches as house members voted in congress).
The part about the outrage for the the end of the Ministry of Culture shows a lot of what's wrong with Brazil: everyone wants their own government tit to suck from. As if culture can be created by government bureocrats.
No wonder the previous government's cabinet had 38 ministries, including the Ministry of Fishing. At least it didn't come to a point where we had a Ministry of Happiness like in Venezuela.