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How Anti-Growth Sentiment, Reflected in Zoning Laws, Thwarts Equality (nytimes.com)
116 points by Cadsby on July 4, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 77 comments



It's not so much that urban development kills "character", it's that current urban development methods are ugly. They have no class to them. The "not in my backyard" argument will always be brought about by people who's previously beautiful surroundings are replaced by brick rectangles with evenly spaced windows. The trick is to make urban areas attractive but not gentrified.


Good insight. I suspect that some American hesitation about "density" and "apartment buildings" is based on specific history from the 20th century and 'white flight' era. Do people from other countries really fear and disdain apartment buildings the same way? I don't...

Related, interesting quote from someone talking to Jane Jacobs: http://www.citylab.com/design/2016/05/happy-100th-birthday-j...

New, high-rise public housing surrounded by pretty but functionless lawns had erased the formerly dense mix of retail, institutional and residential uses. She learned about what was lost from settlement house workers and tenants.

As one resident told her: “Nobody cared what we wanted when they built this place. They threw our houses down and pushed us here and pushed our friends somewhere else. We don’t have a place around here to get a cup of coffee or a newspaper even... But the big men come and look at that grass and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful! Now the poor have everything.’”


In Salford, we had a regeneration project that replaced all the rundown terraced housing, from Salford's industrial era, with high rises.

Due to the collapse of industry round here, deprivation and crime shot through the roof (to the point Latvia recommended its citizens not visit this city in particular).

The high rises have become synonymous with that crime and deprivation. No one wants them at their back yard because of who typically lives in them, not because of the aesthetics.

In fact, they have recently had a makeover and now look great. Unfortunately, the same people still live there.


Home, sweet home.

I moved south, the weather and opportunities are better. But then I probably fall into most of the boxes outlined in the article.

However, the planning laws in the UK put brakes on growth down here. Having been in in Tokyo and London it's obvious why accommodation is cheaper (by about 50% [1]) in Japan than the UK: they build up and dense.

I think the argument of the article is more about the character of the places people move _to_ rather than the places they move _from_. Where cities are very expensive, it's too hard to get a toehold in the economy as someone new to the area/just starting out.

We need to get over the mistakes of the 50s and 60s and accept that if we want affordable housing for the masses we need higher, denser accommodation.

Unfortunately what we get is low density out-of-town box houses that aren't connected to any infrastructure. If we get much at all. Where there is development in the cities, it seems to be too little to shift prices.

[1] http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?coun...


In Europe people go to the park to have solitude with nature and go home to interact with people [on the street by the house].

In the US people go to the park to interact with people, and go home to have solitude [hopefully with nature in their backyard, but even if not they want a quiet apartment without lots of people near them, or at least the illusion of it].

Some people prefer the US way, some the European way. But you have to build the city to match what people want.

The ugly urban cities are a result of a mismatch.


The European way, in many ways, was a consequence of geography and, to a lesser degree, climate.

The US is a car-centric culture that is fueled by (relatively) cheap gasoline (energy prices).

Take for instance shopping malls. Shopping malls in Asia (usually in urban centers) build up vertically while in the United States they are build out horizontally with acres and acres of parking spaces.

Some of the best US cities have European-like features (NYC with Central Park and its other parks like Union Square, Tompkins Square, traffic shut down on some streets or at least seating that takes up part of the street).


> Some of the best US cities have European-like features

Careful with calling it "best". Not everyone likes that kind of thing in a city.

I don't. I hate those types of cities, I feel very stressed and oppressed ("squished" if you get what I mean) when I go to cities designed in that way. I can handle it for a visit, but I would never want to live there.

Different people like different things, that's why we have a variety of cities in the US, you can live in a place that matches what you like. But don't call it "best" just because it happens to be what you like.


The problem is we don't allow a variety of cities anymore. We have effectively outlawed the denser European-style cities. The only ones that exist are those that are old enough to be grandfathered in.


Your point about cars is well-made. European cities, by and large, predate the automobile. Most american cities do not. Indeed all the dense cities and parts of cities predate the gasoline engine. Compare Vegas and San Francisco or Brooklyn and Stamford, CT. Very different density since Brooklyn mostly predates cars and Stamford's population exploded in the late 40s to mid-late 70s as a NYC well-to-do white suburb (95% white in 1950.)


These gross generalizations are horrible. There is no European way and I doubt there is a homogenous US way either.


> current urban development methods are ugly

Ironically, part of the blame lies with zoning. Zoning restricts housing supply, thus increasing housing prices and making securing a political deal expensive. When you get one, you want to make the most of it. That means lots of expensive apartments.

"Expensive" means luxury. "Lots of" means space maximimisation. (Since the political process has constrained supply, you need not worry about someone competing on design - availability is almost enough by itself.)

This is illustrated in a recent New York Times article, where several architectural features of older buildings either directly violate modern zoning laws or would be done away given as a side effect of them: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/19/upshot/forty-p...


> The trick is to make urban areas attractive ...

Other people can be a source of comfort, education, assistance and enrichment. But, other people can also prove to be a great source of annoyance, stress, competition, and fear.

Maybe an even more important trick than making things attractive in shared urban spaces is making all the new arrivals get along with and trust the existing people in the city, and vice versa.

But it doesn't look like the law gives cities what they need to ensure such an outcome. In order to promote urban productivity and tranquility in a nation where people are free to settle anywhere, there's a case to be made for giving local communities more, not less, control.


They should just repeal zoning laws entirely. Maybe make an exception for polluting heavy industry, or for people using government money or government-backed loans. It should probably even be a constitutional amendment.

People who want quiet suburbs can pool together a corporation to own a planned community. That limits the scope of their NIMBYism to just their community, and as shareholders they could vote on whether to get paid for selling their land to Walmart or Google or the people wanting to set up high-density apartment complexes. Plus they have an even stronger voice in their immediate community, so they can do things like build walls to keep the homeless out. I think getting bought out as a shareholder would warm them to the idea; if Walmart buys the land next door you just want to complain, but if you're getting some of the money you might be in favor.

The government should only have the power to prescribe structural integrity rules, fire safety codes, building codes for number of exits, etc.


The "corporation" you've described is a government. Literally.

A government (in the United States) is just a mechanism for an area's resident citizenry to express their collective will. Whether you call it "government" with "citizens", or a "corporation" with "shareholders", it's the same thing.


They fill similar conceptual roles, but the details are different.


...and those details are?


Are you advocating something on the scale of a home owners' association, a suburb, or a large city?

Any way, I fail to see how it would be materially different. A group of people, who collectively own the land make rules (laws) about how it can be used by other member of the group.


I think people would have trouble setting up anything larger than a suburb. It's different because currently even the likes of Google can't just buy your house and replace it with a self-driving car garage. In this hypothetical world, all they would need to do is convince one of N different communities to sell or lease them the land.


I have the feeling if this happens land will be bought up by corporations, not the other way around.


I feel that in many of these discussions, it's beneficial to see NIMBYism as a response to an incomplete insurance market, as described in [0].

This is not to say it is a complete or normative defense of NIMBYism, but rather that a lot of knee-jerk SJW sort of reaction is missing the point and failing to address, or even really attempt to understand, where NIMBYs are coming from.

Part of me wonders if this could be solved by tech, particularly insurance products that offer homeowners protection against the variety of ways that seemingly-great expansion projects can go wrong. I'd enjoy working on that sort of problem, except that so much of the current interest in this entire topic is political, and politicians have some incentive to maintain zoning-like systems because it offers them (the politicians) great opportunities for rent seeking, by being the gatekeepers of an approval process that should instead be more straightforward and just hedged by homeowners in the form of custom insurance products.

[0] "Why are there NIMBYs?" William Fischel, < https://www.dartmouth.edu/~wfischel/Papers/00-04.PDF >


The problem is, it isn't an insurable problem if housing prices decrease when the new construction goes right. You would just put the insurance company on the opposing side of the development instead of the homeowners.

The source of the problem is that people started buying homes as investments, overpaying for them because there was insufficient supply, and now that they've got a mortgage and they don't want to end up underwater, so they have to make sure everybody else overpays too.

Probably the solution is inflation. Build more housing and at the same time print more money. Then real housing prices go down while nominal housing prices stay the same, so your house doesn't "lose value" compared to your mortgage but housing still becomes more affordable for new buyers. This would also help by devaluing everyone's student loans and other debt. Call it the banks' punishment for 2008.


Why do you think nominal housing prices will not increase with the new money? I can understand why housing prices would be sticky when going down, but I've never heard that they are sticky when going up.


Increasing the housing supply would tend to cause nominal housing prices to decrease. Increasing the money supply would tend to cause nominal housing prices to increase. Do them both at the same time and they cancel.


Ah, reading comprehension failure on my part. Wouldn't the effects of the inflation be out of proportion with the housing supply increase, though? Printing money will affect many prices, but the housing supply only affects the local housing market.


Sure, the nominal prices of everything else would increase, as would wages so that purchasing power would remain largely unchanged. Moderate inflation is basically harmless -- in a lot of ways it's beneficial. It's effectively a tax on money (especially on lenders), which makes it extremely progressive. (That is one of the reasons deflation is so catastrophic. The other is that deflation makes cash an investment, so people would hoard cash instead of investing in actually productive activities.)

And the government can use the new money in place of normal tax revenue, which helps the economy.

It's possible to go too far and have hyperinflation. It becomes problematic if prices double every day and nobody will accept your money because it will have lost half its value by the time they get to the bank, as is often the case in failing or mismanaged countries. But if we had e.g. ten percent inflation per year for several years, the effects would be a rather large net positive. It's basically a wealth transfer from lenders to borrowers, where "borrowers" means the taxpayer (national debt), people with student loans or car loans or credit card debt, etc. And homeowners with mortgages, canceling the reduction in housing prices that would otherwise come from significantly increasing the housing stock.


I live in Manhattan with its very high housing costs.

As Harvard Economist Edward Glaeser, Economics Nobelist Paul Krugmann, Financial Times columnist and an economist Tim Harford have been saying, the issues are politically induced housing scarcity through the use of zoning density restrictions and also overuse of historic landmark status. The use of politics to create artificial scarcity to create market inefficiencies is called "rent-seeking" in Microeconomics.

Another example was the NYC limit of 13,000 Taxi medallions which lead to a market value for medallions of $1.2 million. Then Uber/Lyft came along to disrupt the market and provide more transportation in NYC and the value of the medallions dropped to less than $700 K.

I believe that Congress is looking into the zoning form of "rent-seeking" with the understanding that zoning is not necessarily local but might be federal to override this inherent unfairness where older people housing expensive and scare for younger people.

For more info: Edward Glaeser: Build Big Bill (Mayor of NYC) http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/build-big-bill-article-1....

Tim Harford: The Undercover Economist. https://www.amazon.com/Undercover-Economist-Revised-Updated-...

Creating these politically induced market inefficiencies are what create an inherent transfer of wealth from the poor to the wealthy and from the young to the old and of course is a major contributor to financial inequality.


In a realistic scenario, de-regulated zoning around San Francisco would benefit developers and lenders while worsening the financial burden of the middle class.

If zoning were de-regulated around San Francisco, I doubt that many of you would pay much less than what you'd pay now for housing, assuming you're not making less than the AMI.

San Francisco had an Area Median Income in 2014 of $83,222. Those who make below this qualify for affordable housing. If you want to imagine what kind of housing policy the bay area would implement, look to what the DelBlasio administration is doing [1]. In 2015, the AMI for a family of four in New York City was $86,300. According to the DelBlasio administration's plan, "there will be affordable housing available for each level of income from “Extremely Low Income” to “Middle Income.” The middle group, “Low Income” will benefit the most, receiving nearly 60 percent of the 200,000 projected units. Each of the other levels of income will receive eight to 12 percent of the units."

So, given that you wouldn't qualify for affordable housing, you'll end up buying new property at market-driven prices. If developers were to flood the market with thousands of additional units, how would that affect prices? If you were a developer, wouldn't you try to maximize profit for your investors? With that given, developers would collude. They'd roll out new, optimally priced units over time. They'll make excuses to policymakers as to why projects are delayed.

Today, the middle class can't even get a chance to buy something that it can't afford. With de-regulated housing, the former constraint is lifted and new homeowners will be heavily debt-burdened with super-jumbo non-conforming mortgages. However, you'll have somewhere to live.

[1] http://www.amny.com/real-estate/affordable-housing-in-new-yo...


> If you were a developer, wouldn't you try to maximize profit for your investors?

Selling 1000 units at $2000 is more profitable than selling 500 units at $2500. Moreover, collusion is a) illegal, allowing us to smite them with the Hammer of Antitrust Enforcement, and b) assumes there are few enough developers that they can actually do that without anybody defecting, which seems unlikely.

> In a realistic scenario, de-regulated zoning around San Francisco would benefit developers and lenders while worsening the financial burden of the middle class.

Your proposed alternative to increasing supply once to reduce prices is to keep supply constrained and subsidize rents forever.

There is no way out of the fact that increasing the housing supply is the only real solution, and that requires zoning regulations to be relaxed so that it can actually be increased. If you then have other problems with increasing the housing supply, you fix them, because one way or another there needs to be a lot more housing.


Selling 1000 units at $2000 is only more profitable than selling 500 units at $2500 if those units cost nothing to build. That's very far from being the case.


But economic analysis indicates that building even market-rate housing drives down prices for everyone: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-05-18/want-chea...

For example, the thorough analysis above indicates that increasing San Francisco's housing supply by 30% would cut prices in half.


> look to what the DelBlasio administration is doing

The man's name is Bill De Blasio.

And the AMI used for affordable housing is so high, it's a joke. They include Westchester, Putnam, and Rockland counties in the calculation as a blatant concession to the real estate industry.

The "Low Income" units are further broken down into 40%, 50% and 60% of AMI, and nearly all the Low Income units being built are for that "up to 60% of AMI" range. That ensures they have the largest possible pool of applicants, and since the units are awarded by lottery, the new affordable housing units will take just as long to get into as a decade-long public housing waitlist.

There is a lot to criticize about our actual implementation of the affordable housing - from both business interests and progressive interests. This suggests that this is one of those politically Hard Problems that most politicians will always avoid like the plague.


These things are not so simple. Even in that places where they build baby, build! There is inequality. Brazil, China, etc. Brazil is diverse, China is pretty homogenous, both have large inequalities. It's not a one dimensional problem.


That's a rather poor mischaracterization of the argument. Of course it's not a one dimensional problem, everyone knows that equality is a complicated problem.


> The lost opportunities for development may theoretically reduce the output of the United States economy by as much as $1.5 trillion a year

We should also do away with National Parks and Forests, which are nothing more than zoning laws at the Federal level.

For that matter, state and local parks get in the way too.

How much lost economic output are restrictions on real estate development in Golden Gate Park costing the city of San Francisco?

How many more people could be housed there if the city simply got out of the way and let the developers build twenty or thirty thousand new units in there?

Why does Federal law even allow a local community like San Francisco so much control over its land?


You are thinking about things in exactly the wrong way.

For every 1 story increase in building height in a San Francisco apartment complex, there is 10 less houses that have to be build in Suburbia.

10 parcels of land that can now be converted to national parks, and public spaces.

People need a place to live whether you like it or not.

We can either make room for them in the cities, by increasing density and building height limits, or we can stand by and watch as urban sprawl continues to destroy our environment.


But not everyone wants to live in an apartment/flat there are serious downsides to lease hold property's.

A co worker was on the residents committee for a block of flats (london UK) that had to have the roof replaced not cheap and the original contrcator did it wrong and they had to sue them and have it redone.


Yes, and?

But living in your own house means you have your own roof, that can just as well needs maintenance, and you also can pick a bad contractor, and so on.

There are trade-offs. And there are external costs. Having your own backyard means usually having and using a car, taking up space close to downtown (because fuck commute times, right?) for just a family (and taking up road capacity too). These are currently undervalued.

The whole housing calamity in the Bay Area (and in London and Berlin) is manifestation of exactly this. (Plus idiotic zoning laws and height restrictions, and of course grafts, bribes, corruption, and the usual.)


Its the difference between a £250,000k Job and a £10k one ogh and coordinating 50-70 different lease holder to pay their share.

Even more extream if your looking at a listed building - which I did when I was looking at buying a ex alms house listed in Pevsner (one of only two buildings of note in my home town)


In my experience the paying the lease (or whatever the money due is formally called) is the least controversial part of it. You'll have more problems with the owners of the apartments. (So all the problems of the dreaded HOAs, exist for every building if it's owned by a group - which is quite usual in Europe.)

But these are very low-level problems, and they tend to sort themselves out pretty quickly (in ~5 years, let's say, if the building needs a renovation and the owners were not too keen on participating and saving for it beforehand).


Try getting a mortgage on a property with a short lease <60 Years it can be hard and expensive to extend the lease to make it practicabel.


If you are getting a mortgage, you usually buy it.

Also, if you want to get a mortgage for a lease, you can, if the mortgage repayment deadline is before the lease expiry. When it comes to property banks only care about getting a notarized mortgage contract and getting on the property's land registry sheet in a first position. (And this latter part is interesting, because most land registries - as far as I know - don't really have the concept of expiring records - so you can't record the fact of your lease.)


Thats fine, but we are already in a position where 10s of millions of people would rather live in the city, but are unable to due to how expensive it is. YOU don't have to move to the city, but if we build more houses in the city, then OTHERS will be able to.


> 10 parcels of land that can now be converted to national parks, and public spaces.

Can be converted to public spaces. However who would make sure that this conversion actually happens? What are the incentives?


If dense housing is available, this drives down the cost of living/price of houses. If suburbian homes are less valuable, it is cheaper to convert.

Also, driving down the price of housing prevents EXISTING public spaces and parks from being converted into homes, as cities will be less incentivized to do so.

There is already a lot of public spaces that are being converted to houses, so preventing a conversion to urban sprawl is equivalent to converting back to a public space.


Assuming that suburban houses and apartments in urban multistory complexes are fungible (which they are not).


Oh they certainly aren't fungible!

In fact, urban apartment complexes in dense cities are much much MORE valuable and desirable than suburban homes. There are 10s of millions of people who would rather live in a desirable place like downtown NYC than the place they are currently living in, if it was as affordable as suburban homes.

The facts that back this up, are housing prices. Housing prices in cities are 4x higher than they are in the countryside, which, due to the laws of supply and demand, means that lots of people prefer city living to suburban living.


The statistics I've seen in the US are that about 1/3 of people would prefer living in city centers, 1/3 would prefer suburbia, and 1/3 don't care. And currently 80% of people live in suburbia because city centers are expensive. Apartments and suburban houses aren't the same but our tax and regulatory structure is strongly pushing people towards the later even if that's not what they want.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I can't let this stand without replying. I live in Idaho and the protected areas are relatively pristine (aside from the inevitable gas stations and lodges needed to handle the high volume of sightseers) but the unprotected areas have been largely deforested, desertified and poisoned by extractive timber, grazing and mining practices. They don't tell you that 95% of forests in the lower 48 have been cut so they are no longer old growth, that the droughts are exacerbated by erosion due to loss of native vegetation, that the easily accessible minerals have already mostly been extracted and now we have multi-billion dollar superfund waste sites with mine tailings like arsenic and mercury that we'll be cleaning up for eons at taxpayer expense. The same story is repeated over and over again throughout the west.

For anyone reading this, be wary that the national backlash against public land is being driven by high federal deficits caused by overspending on the military and taxes on the ultra-wealthy that are at nearly an all-time historical low. Remember that we all own public land as individuals and can use it at any time for any purpose that is not destructive. The idea of freely giving away that land to private interests to be exploited for private gain is deeply unsustainable and I mourn for future generations that would miss out on what we enjoy today.

The great tragedy in all this is that I've found that the people in the most enlightened areas, the regions with the most natural resources and beauty left from the time of earliest creation, can take it all so easily for granted and come to take stances that don't ensure its protection. If anyone is on the fence about sustainability vs economic growth, I strongly urge you to do a full accounting with all externalities. You may find that the philosophies and principles that guide environmentally conscious individuals are rooted in logic and not some knee-jerk hysteria like what is sometimes portrayed by infotainment news. I understand that every community is different, but like most things in our society we can rely on a majority sentiment that only thinks one move ahead, not 10 or 20 or 30 like we do. We can’t go wrong by meditating on such important decisions and drawing our own conclusions, which I’m confident will have little alignment with the propaganda of the day.


Yes. Sarcastic.

I appreciate especially this part of your comment: If anyone is on the fence about sustainability vs economic growth, I strongly urge you to do a full accounting with all externalities.

If we focus on the full accounting of positives (not even looking at externalities), we already see problems with these economic models. They fail to assign positive economic value to the zoning laws.

The economists in the article say something like "these zoning laws are depressing economic output by $1.5 trillion."

But, there's another way to look at it: "the value that communities derive from having the power to zone their cities as they see fit is $1.5 trillion."

In other words, these local communities are willing to exchange $1.5 trillion in easy-to-value economic activity for the power to create not-so-easy-to-value zoning laws. The fact that these economists choose to ignore that economic value does not eliminate that value.

I see it as comparable to a stay-at-home spouse who raises children. Such a person doesn't receive an easy-to-count dollar-value paycheck. But those stay-at-home parents across the country are, without any doubt, working hard and contributing significantly to GDP. It's a matter of measurement, not existence. The economic value definitely exists.

How seriously should any of us take an economic model which completely ignores such contributions to GDP?


Developers have a nasty habit of gutting nature and tearing apart the land for a quick cheap buck. And after working for several doing their I.T. work and thus being on the "inside" of their decision making practices, I can tell you they're disgusting parasites. They're the LAST people you want tearing up your countryside to put in cheaply built apartments or even suburban homes.


The only viable solution, keeping both sides happy, is to have a kickass public transportation system.

I live in SF. Some of the working class people I meet live as far away as Richmond, Vallejo and Gilroy. They spend hours commuting back and forth; but they have no choice. It kills the 'quality of life', but what can one do?

If, for example, it was possible to get from Richmond to SF in 15 minutes at any time of day or night, it would make a world of difference. The pressure to live in SF would be eased, knowing that any time you wanted to enjoy the city life, it was a quick 15 minute ride away.

Communities hate more development, because people don't want to disturb their little paradise, which they worked so hard to create. And these days, it is much easier for people to move; heck, many people live nomadic lives, spending months here, and months there.

Something else to think about: an influx of residents has second-order effects: more schools, more police, more fire, etc. etc. Who'll pay for that? The taxes will flow over decades, but these things need to be built right away!


Shipping people in from economically segregated exurbs is not a solution to a segregation problem. We could just repeal the laws that are hurting families with less wealth. The controversy on this issue should be a huge red flag: we've allowed the power of our governments to be wielded on behalf of the wealthy at the expense of everyone else, and our political culture finds that acceptable. Fix the culture. Repeal the segregation laws.


> Shipping people in from economically segregated exurbs is not a solution to a segregation problem.

That is not the idea. The idea is to let people live where they want to live, without the weight of the commute hanging over them. And even if someone chooses to live far away, they should still be able to maintain a decent quality of life.

There is no denying that dwellings closer to the city centers are in higher demand, and hence cost more. I posit that it is primarily due to a mediocre transportation system. If the Bay Area had a world-class high-speed system, the demand would be reduced, lowering the prices and benefiting everyone.


I'm with you: let's build better transportation infrastructure. But we can't keep using our laws to segregate by income. Some income segregation is inevitable, but we shouldn't encourage it by making the good life scarce. More homes is good for everyone.


This article has gotten a fair bit of attention here in Santa Monica. We have the highest rents in LA, possibly one of the strongest anti-development communities, and aggressive rent control.

This fall there will be an initiative on the ballot called "L.U.V.E." which will require any development over two stories to get voter approval. It's actually split the anti-development activists apart, as some of them think it goes too far.

It's a beautiful city, but part of me feels like it's a ticking time bomb due to lack of education in society. Much like there was broad rejection of vaccinations here, there's rejection of the concept of supply & demand (some calling it a "Republican conspiracy.")


There must be massive opportunities to manage these things in a smarter way as illustrated by the $1.5 trillion a year mentioned in the article. For example in SF they could build aesthetically appealing tall buildings with much of the profits going to the government rather than private developers and use some of that to build better accom for the homeless who clutter the streets. Everyone wins pretty much - you could give a bit of compensation to people next to the new buildings who might be a bit inconvenienced.

Maybe someone could do a startup to sort this stuff. I've been thinking about it but not cracked it.


I don't think liberal zoning is the problem. I've seen my city go through massive changes in the last 30 years, top of the list being a radical increase, a liberalization, of zoning. They are allowing more and bigger developments. Multi-story and multi-unit developments are everywhere, but that isn't making housing any more affordable.

A piece of land with a liberal zoning is worth more. It is a target for redevelopment in order to max out the zoning. The net result in my local is the steady replacement of anything old (ie 10+ years) by newer ridiculously large replacements. Apartments and other attached units are now so expensive, and prices rising so steadily, that the logical thing to do is let them sit empty. The pittance one might claw back in rent pales in comparison to rising prices, and who needs pesky tenants anyway.

So... liberal zoning --> rising land values/prices --> redevelopment is better than renting --> fewer rental units = higher rent. It's true up and down the west coast. Now if a government told owners that no, they are not going to rip down that apartment block to replace it with luxury living, all-one-level, condos (ie for old/rich retirees) then perhaps prices might stabilize, sending more units into the rental market and so also stabilizing rents.


> Multi-story and multi-unit developments are everywhere, but that isn't making housing any more affordable.

More development doesn't make housing more affordable. It makes it less unaffordable compared to the alternative of restricting supply. For how that turns out, just take a look at SF.

Like, desirable cities are always going to be expensive, but you can choose between whether they're moderately expensive vs insanely expensive.

> So... liberal zoning --> rising land values/prices --> redevelopment is better than renting --> fewer rental units = higher rent. It's true up and down the west coast.

??? The west coast, by and large, does not have liberal zoning. This is particularly true in coastal California, which has the worst affordability problems.

One of the issues is that cities tend to only have small pockets of liberal zoning in downtown cores, so we get all our density from large towers that are inherently very expensive to build. If we got more middling density in existing SFH areas, it'd be much easier to get cheaper housing: http://missingmiddlehousing.com/


> Apartments and other attached units are now so expensive, and prices rising so steadily, that the logical thing to do is let them sit empty.

I highly doubt this is going on over any long period of time. If there's a bubble like this, it'll pop.

Why do you think these new apartments are luxury apartments? It's because living in your city is a luxury that people with enough money are paying for. If they didn't exist, people would be paying even more for living spaces that do exist. So, build new apartments and prices go up. But don't build new apartments, and prices go up more.

The most reliable way to get affordable housing (besides a lottery or waiting list, which doesn't solve the problem) is to have built new housing 30 years ago.


Luxury has some scientific definitions. Top of the list is size for a single-family dwelling. My city has liberalized zoning for size, but kept limits on number of occupants and such for fear of impacting infrastructure. The result is ever-larger units. New houses seem less like houses and more like diagrams of local building codes. Property line minus ten feet, there's your wall.

Luxury apartments can also be defined during zoning as units that the city assumes will rarely be occupied. It is often easier to get a permit if you can claim that the people in your development aren't going to contribute to traffic problems. I've even seen the pre-selling to overseas investors trotted out as justification for not upgrading traffic connections to a development. So-called "elder living" units also fit this scheme.

As for rents, the standard has always been that yearly rent should be around 1/20th of the unit's value, the "20-year" rule. But with property prices rising so quickly, some units are renting out at 1/50th their value. Once you get into those areas, rent becomes irrelevant and you run into the paradox that many units (houses and condos) are worth significantly more without tenants. You don;t want to bother asking tenants to clear out so you can show the unit. So investors planning to flip something in the next couple years don't bother with rent. Only when they think that they may have to hold on for a while do they consider.


If the problem is that overseas investors are buying the houses, sure, that's a problem that decreases the amount of living space. But how would restrictive zoning fix that problem?

And I still don't think the flipping is relevant in the long run. It's pent-up demand sorting itself out. They can't keep flipping forever.


> But how would restrictive zoning fix that problem?

Not only does restrictive zoning not fix the problem, it only makes it worse. Part of why you have investors buying properties in places like SF is that housing is such a hot commodity due to the restricted supply. If it was easy to make lots more apartments and condos there, it would be less attractive as an investment, which would mean less speculation.


It's not so much the level of zoning, but its recent liberalization. Properties that are not living up to their zoning potential (ie you are now allowed to build something much bigger) are being pulled off the market for redevelopment. Then the new units are so geared towards ownership and investment, many being pre-sold individually, that they never return to the rental pool.

A more restrictive approach could discourage such redevelopment and sequestration, keeping rental units as rental units.


The important question is, has the quantity of housing gone up as quickly as the city's population? As with most things if there's a something preventing enough stuff from being built it will be the rich who get it. Also, I'd really like to see the numbers on vacancy percentage in your city. I'd be willing to be that they aren't actually very far out of line with normal rates.


Does anyone really think that once they own property in a certain area that they are gonna believe in the 'anything goes' mentality? 'Growth' is subjective. "Hey look at all the great businesses in my neighborhood bringing in taxes! I mean sure they are all pot pharmacies and bars that my kid gets to pass on his way to elementary school but you know GROWTH!"


I think the issue is, everyone believes they should be able to become a stakeholder in a resource that is, by definition, naturally constrained. Only so many people get a say in a geographic area, and the stark reality is that once you reach a certain critical mass, you're incentivized to protect your quality of life over allowing for more people to join you.

Strangely, its thought of as acceptable for tech workers (with their new found purchasing power due to disparate wages compared to traditional workers) to displace long-time residents of a community, but those same tech workers are aghast when communities would prefer they not come.

“We don’t need one more job in Boulder,” Mr. Pomerance said. “We don’t need to grow anymore. Go somewhere else where they need you.”

Indeed. It seems I'm a bit late to coin the term "tech privilege".


What's strange about this at all? The pro-growth mentality is consistent: anyone can come, if they can afford it.

The anti-growth mentality is incoherent: it was fine for me to move here 20 years ago, but how dare tech workers try to do the same thing!


Bryson made the same point about anti-immigration forces in the USA (and the same applies elsewhere, like Australia where I live).

"Immigration was just fine for my grandparents, but now it's about time it stopped."


> "Immigration was just fine for my grandparents, but now it's about time it stopped."

That's a mischaracterization though. The fundamental equation for immigration is to make sure the immigrants don't bring down the average. When your grandparents came here the average was lower than it is now.

Which is why it's a lot easier to get a green card if you have a masters in engineering than if you're a farm hand. It fundamentally has to be that way if you want to have any sort of a social safety net, otherwise the majority of world population would take citizenship and become eligible for social assistance.


> It fundamentally has to be that way if you want to have any sort of a social safety net, otherwise the majority of world population would take citizenship and become eligible for social assistance.

I agree entirely, which is why the (if there is a 'the') Libertarian position on the matter is a combination of open immigration and private charity instead of socialism.

http://pc.blogspot.com.au/2016/06/immigration-is-fundamental...


I'm not sure what is incoherent about the anti-growth mentality. You seem to be trying to make a rhetorical point instead of an argument.

There really are costs to current residents to allowing unfettered growth. Increased traffic, for example, materially reduces people's quality of life.

People vote for their own self interests, and calling someone "incoherent" simply because they were born in Boulder and love their home is not a productive argument.


Sorry, I should have been clearer that it's not all anti-growth advocates who are incoherent.

If you were born somewhere and are attached to the way of life you've known since you were born, it's certainly an argument. I don't agree with it, but it's not incoherent.

I'm referring to the people (particularly in SF) who moved there a decade or more ago yet are virulently opposed to "tech workers" doing the same thing.

And yes, I understand voting for self-interests. What's irritating is when people try to frame their self-interests as a moral crusade, as though tech immigration is somehow inherently evil.


It's not hard to imagine that grntrification only have net good effects up to a point for many people.


Exactly.

"The change that accommodated me was fine. The change that accommodates you is bad!"


> Strangely, its thought of as acceptable for tech workers (with their new found purchasing power due to disparate wages compared to traditional workers) to displace long-time residents of a community, but those same tech workers are aghast when communities would prefer they not come.

If you limit building, that effect just gets worse, though. The rich are always going to be able to outbid the poor/working-class, and if you limit the supply of housing, competition for that housing intensifies. A study from the California Legislative Analyst's Office found exactly this (more development = less displacement): http://www.lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3345

> In this follow up to California’s High Housing Costs, we offer additional evidence that facilitating more private housing development in the state’s coastal urban communities would help make housing more affordable for low–income Californians. Existing affordable housing programs assist only a small proportion of low–income Californians. Most low–income Californians receive little or no assistance. Expanding affordable housing programs to help these households likely would be extremely challenging and prohibitively expensive. It may be best to focus these programs on Californians with more specialized housing needs—such as homeless individuals and families or persons with significant physical and mental health challenges.

> Encouraging additional private housing construction can help the many low–income Californians who do not receive assistance. Considerable evidence suggests that construction of market–rate housing reduces housing costs for low–income households and, consequently, helps to mitigate displacement in many cases.


Interesting point, but surely the bar for where "critical mass" occurs depends entirely on social factors. That is, the neighborhood where I live (outside Tokyo) can absorb a lot more stakeholders than neighborhoods in Boulder, just because people are accustomed to different lifestyles (more apartments, fewer lawns, etc).


Agree.




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