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The BrExit vote was caused by the same problem that enables Trump (and Sanders) to win so many votes. The British Elites, like the Republic Elites are ignoring the pain caused to the working class through trade agreements and (in the case of BrExit) immigration from poorer parts of Europe. In different ways the EU integration put an additional burden on the already struggling British working class.

As a specific example, the immigrants, who came to the UK for jobs drove down wages for the working class with additional competition while at the same time putting a lot of pressure on budgets for the National Health System and social services.

The British Elites ignored the complaints of the working class while not even increasing the budgets for social services and the National Health Service proportionate to the additional demand caused by immigration.

It is this total lack of sensitivity of the British Elite to their fellow citizens that caused the BrExit.

Similarly, the "rise of Trump" is because Paul Ryan, the billionaire Wall Street hedge fund owners, and other Republic Elites have totally ignored the feeling of the working class. They have created trade policies which have "exported" American factory jobs while at the same time wanting to cut the social services that workers need precisely because of policies of elites (Republic and Democratic) to export their working class jobs.

For example, when Carrier air conditioners closed their Indiana factory and exported the jobs to Mexico, it was only Trump that complained repeatedly. Not Paul Ryan, Not billionaire Paul Singer, not Cruz, not Jeb Bush, not Rubio. The total cluelessness of the Republic Elite is why Trump won the nomination.

The rise of Sanders is because the Democratic elite refused to listen to among others, the young, for whom the cost of education has increased significantly and who are unable to buy homes, etc, because of rising student debt.

In the cases of the British Elites, the Republic and Democratic Elites, they all appear to care more for "The City" and Wall Street Bankers than they do working class citizens and the young who are attempting to start their lives as their parents had.




I'm confused. Are you saying that Trump is not part of what you're calling the "Republic Elite"? Or that he's not part of the billionaire class? That he's not highly connected? Are you saying he actually cares about the working class?

I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider. He rubs shoulders with all kinds of rich, powerful, and connected people, including presidents.

The idea that people are enamored with Trump because he represents their interests just doesn't add up. At the most, I can see how people might find his off-the-wall antics and constant flip-flopping somewhat entertaining, but surely that's not a good reason to put him office.


>I don't understand how average Americans can buy into this idea that Trump is some kind of outsider.

It's because Trump is politically incorrect. He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory and makes jokes about his dick size and most importantly, when he speaks, he doesn't come off as being more informed or articulate than his supporters.

All it takes for a politician to convince Americans they're not part of the "elite," is to act like a convincing caricature of "the common man."


> He dresses like the just got off shift at the factory

This comment baffles me, because one of the most consistent aspects of Trump's image is always being in a suit and tie.

I just searched for "Donald Trump" on Google Images. Nearly every picture has him in a suit and tie. The first wherein he was visibly not wearing a tie or bowtie was #70 (but he was still in a suit). #139 was the second picture lacking a tie (but still in a suit). #176 was the first picture featuring a person without a suit, but it was Michael Moore alongside Donald Trump (still in a suit and tie). #551 was the first image where he was not in a suit, but it was a caricature drawing. #603 was the first photo of Donald Trump where he was not in a suit; it was this picture: http://government.northcrane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/...

#693 was the second and only other picture in the first 700: http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5580938f69beddba025...

It seems to me that Trump always wears a suit, except when he's golfing, and is always wearing a collared shirt. I'd be happy to see a picture where "he dresses like [he] just got off shift at the factory".


It's part of the elite narrative about what confuses rubes, so Trump must dress that way.

The reason people are voting for Trump is because he's as openly racist as the Republicans have gotten so far. This is the same reason why Democrats haven't won whites since Kennedy. The question is whether Trump's supporters will suspect that his newly found overtly racist anti-establishment stance is a deception before the election and not turn out, or whether Hillary will make enough Democrats sick that they won't turn out.


Wow. Apparently you went through the effort of checking 700 photos and indexing them one by one just to disprove one sentence out of my comment. That's true dedication to the cause.

I guess you're right though - I went a bit too far on that. I could swear I remember him dressing down for a number of interviews but I can't actually find pictures of it so mea culpa.


Trump is very wealthy and he rubs shoulders with the elite in our country, but he is certainly not a member of the Republican Elite which includes people like Paul Ryan, Republican Wall Street billionaires such as Paul Singer, and most of the Republican candidates that Trump beat (Jeb Bush, Cruz, Rubio, ....). The Republican Elite did not listen to suffering of the Republican electorate which is why they lost to Trump. Somewhere along the way, the Republic Elite lost sight of the fact that it is policies that appeal to voters than win elections and not donations from the wealthy.

Eric Cantor was the second most powerful person in The House of Representatives until he lost the primary to a political unknown. He lost because Republicans do not want illegal immigration. They are not against immigration but believe that people should only immigrate legally. Cantor did not listen to his voters and he lost. Remarkably, the Republican Elite ignored this loss and backed illegal immigration. Only Trump came out against illegal immigration.

The Republican Elite are so out of touch and this country deserves better leadership from the "Party of Lincoln."




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