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[sangfroid]

If you have not been charged with a crime, can you just refuse to hand over your cards?

[dpc59 → sangfroid]

Then they charge you for obstruction (or whatever it's called in oklahoma, in french it's called "entrave à un agent de la paix")

[ihsw → dpc59]

It is obstruction of justice and it's very unpleasant.

If they're so inclined they can take your things by force and you will have no reasonable means of recourse.

[orbitingpluto → dpc59]

Isn't the question, "obstructing what?"

[CobrastanJorji → orbitingpluto]

And the answer, of course, is "Justice."

It's like being charged solely with resisting arrest.

[orbitingpluto → CobrastanJorji]

Or destruction of government property when you bleed on them during a beating? Ferguson:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-fer...

[cehrnrooth → dpc59]

That seems questionable, how can they charge you with obstruction when you can just not answer any questions you're not legally obligated to answer.

[trbvm2 → cehrnrooth]

I tried to write the long answer and it turned out as a wall of text composed of parenthetical caveats. Then I tried to right the short answer and it turned out as a medium length yet confusing answer.

The truth of the matter is that people are barely evolved ape/chimps and do pretty much whatever suites them as long as they don't get their ass kicked for it.

[tripzilch → trbvm2]

Thanks! I'm saving this comment for its general applicability to, unfortunately, anything.

[stonemetal → sangfroid]

Yes, that would be the fourth amendment.