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1. $10,000. 2. $10,000 3. Yes. 4. They would be. 5. All of the proposed benefits of UBI.



1. Can an unemployed single parent of two support themselves and their family on $10,000 per year in San Francisco? 2. Can an unemployed single parent of two support themselves and their family on $10,000 per year in Detroit? 3. Why? 4. See 3. 5. What are the proposed benefits of UBI?


No, it's about having enough to live in the USA. Not about having enough to live where you want at your special snowflake standard of living.

Yes, you may only get enough to live awesome in "the middle of nowhere" or whatever. So what? If you want to live in San Fran, find a way to get the money to live there.


So under UBI, if someone in San Francisco, NYC, DC, Seattle, etc. loses their job, they should move to rural Wisconsin?


Yes. Why not? When they do, it'll cause rent to drop in San Fran, NYC, DC and Seattle. The US has a staggering amount of available land. The problem with real estate is that prices are high where the jobs are located. With basic income you no longer have to live where the jobs are and can move around freely.


>When they do, it'll cause rent to drop in San Fran, NYC, DC and Seattle.

No it won't, no more than today.

>With basic income you no longer have to live where the jobs are and can move around freely.

Poor people are already "free" to not live in places they can't afford, and instead live in places with poor access to education and healthcare and jobs, and as such have reduced life expectancy. Your plan to use UBI to re-locate and segregate poor is no improvement compared to the current situation.


I live in Canada so I always take health care for granted in these sorts of discussions. Knowing this, it should come as no shock to you that I also support universal health care.

What may be less obvious is that I also support universal education and in Canada we also generally have that, at least as far as K-12 goes. If I were a parent, my children would have access to the same quality of public education in a small rural town as they would in a rich area of Toronto.


If I were a parent, my children would have access to the same quality of public education in a small rural town as they would in a rich area of Toronto.

Is this true in reality or just in principle? An area with more students can naturally better afford to offer programs that are of limited interest, because they will still have lots of students that are interested. An area with less students probably can't spend money on things that are only of interest to 1 or 2 students.

It's not true in either sense in the US, localized funding for schools is presented as the more fair solution.


It's true in reality. We don't have localized funding for schools in Canada; we fund them province-wide. The small rural school gets the same funding per student as the big city school. The difference between the smallest schools and the biggest schools is not that much so rural kids have a longer bus ride to get to school. They don't have to sacrifice on programs.


Yes. Honestly, if they're having trouble living there at their income level in the current system, they should be looking at moving to a cheaper area already.




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