> most women I know just aren't very interested in CS
That makes an assumption about their motivation. Much evidence exists that women aren't "interested" becuase they face exclusion and discrimination in CS and pressure to study more 'feminine" subjects. Why do more women take the Statistics AP exam than men? Also, I think there are now more female math majors in colleges than male (but I don't have the data in front of me).
The same arguments were used, AFAIK, when women were exluded from most of the workforce and from much of higher education: Women just aren't interested in those things. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, first in her class at Columbia Law School, couldn't get a job at top law firms (and Justice Frankfurter turned her down because of her gender, per Wikipedia) at the beginning of her legal career. Now the majority of law school graduates are female - I guess they were interested after all.
But perhaps most telling is that we are talking about women in the third person - this is exactly the problem with a lack of diversity: A bunch of guys are sitting around drawing conclusions about what women experience and think. If only HN was half female - could you imagine the difference?
I can't speak about law, or the way things used to be, but in software dev I've worked with several women and more men. In my own experience the men sometimes chide with each other to the point I've seen other men complain to management about bullying. But I don't see the women being treated that way at all.
In my personal life I often talk about programming to non-devs. Both genders have some people that are completely uninterested, but it's usually the women. Likewise I have little interest in most female-dominated fields. And that's ok.
Maybe things are different beyond my own limited perspective, but that's what I've seen. It may be different in other fields.
A large part of this is culture. My ex-girlfriend grew up with parents who coddled her and her sister, protecting them from many things (a common behavior with female children from what I've seen). The consequence is two very fearful women (nominally) who have strong aversions to technical fields. They were told it was ok they weren't good at math because they were girls.
On the other hand, I've worked with and known many women in adult life, and either they overcame that attitude from their parents and teachers or they weren't presented with that attitude growing up. I can speak with many of them about programming topics (watered down in the same manner I'd water it down with men who don't have a programming background) and bore or interest them to the same degree.
If we, as a society, stop telling people "this is feminine" and "this is masculine" (particularly with respect to fields of study, both technical and non-technical) you'd likely see these things even out quite a bit (though the implied feminine and masculine by observing people's roles in society will still be present).
That makes an assumption about their motivation. Much evidence exists that women aren't "interested" becuase they face exclusion and discrimination in CS and pressure to study more 'feminine" subjects. Why do more women take the Statistics AP exam than men? Also, I think there are now more female math majors in colleges than male (but I don't have the data in front of me).
The same arguments were used, AFAIK, when women were exluded from most of the workforce and from much of higher education: Women just aren't interested in those things. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, first in her class at Columbia Law School, couldn't get a job at top law firms (and Justice Frankfurter turned her down because of her gender, per Wikipedia) at the beginning of her legal career. Now the majority of law school graduates are female - I guess they were interested after all.
But perhaps most telling is that we are talking about women in the third person - this is exactly the problem with a lack of diversity: A bunch of guys are sitting around drawing conclusions about what women experience and think. If only HN was half female - could you imagine the difference?