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And just think, 10 years ago we were sitting on the X axis as far as current deficits and somewhere in between 25-50% for overall debt as a percentage of GDP.. we were solidly in the green zone.



And 10 years ago a US 10 year T bill was paying around 6%

Why is anyone buying our T bills now when we are a worse credit risk and they are paying <4%


Because most of the other major developed world sources of government debt are probably in worse shape than we are.


Yep, risk premium -- people go to the dollar in times of stress.

As long as we actually maintain our position as the world's most stable economy, that is. Doubling our debt in the last decade didn't help. What did we see from that again?


Tax cuts in capitol gains, lowering the tax rate on income over $250k/year, and yet another protectorate to add to our collection.

You mean to tell me you didn't benefit from those tax cuts?


> Tax cuts in capitol gains, lowering the tax rate on income over $250k/year,

And the tax system became more progressive. The share of taxes paid by the top 1, 5, and 10% went up.

> You mean to tell me you didn't benefit from those tax cuts?

Now half of US workers don't pay federal income tax. It's hard to cut their taxes more. (Yes, the poor pay SS, and it's a greater percentage of their income, but they get it back with interest. The rich don't break even on SS.)

Is that good?

What fraction of the tax burden should fall on each income cohort?


No, it didn't, the distribution of wealth just intensified. More $, more taxes.

The % of income paid as taxes by those people went down. As a matter of fact, people in the top tax brackets typically pay a lower % of their income in taxes than their secretaries.

EDIT: Also, where does this persistent myth that "half of all people pay no federal income taxes" come from? They do pay federal income tax. When I had summer jobs I paid income tax beyond FICA. When I made small money right out of college I paid income tax beyond FICA. I'm guessing it's the same story for you, as well. Poor memory?


> The % of income paid as taxes by those people went down.

How about some actual data? Note that tax rates aren't the whole story.

And, even if it was true, that doesn't tell us what fraction of the tax revenues that they're paying.

Do you really think that it's good when most people don't have much, if any, skin in the game? (As CA is discovering, collecting the bulk of your revenue from a small number of people makes tax revenues very volatile.)

> As a matter of fact, people in the top tax brackets typically pay a lower % of their income in taxes than their secretaries.

Nope. They pay higher rates on their earned income and they pay higher rates on the investment income. You're "confusing" the two.

And, their deductions are phased out.

> Also, where does this persistent myth that "half of all people pay no federal income taxes" come from?

The IRS. http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521...

The relevant data is formatted better in http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

> When I made small money right out of college I paid income tax beyond FICA.

You may have had it deducted fromyour paycheck, but unless you were someone's dependent, you could have gotten it refunded.


Capital gains is taxed at a lower rate than your first 50k of income. Because of the lack of FICA if nothing else. 15% is lower than most people are paying on their income.

Same with the top tax brackets. Your 2nd million dollars will be taxed at around 35% if my memory is correct. If you're making 50k, you're paying more than 35% of your income in taxes. (fed + fica + medicare)


From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Karl Marx


Well, according to supply-side economics, it reduced the deficit. That helped all of us!


> Tax cuts in capitol gains

Didn't Obama promise that during the SOTU last night. If so, what's your objection to Bush actually doing so?



That is for 1 month T-Bills. For 10 year T-Bills it is around 3.75%


It's not a big deal, but the bills are a year or less, and the longest is fetching an awesome 0.3 percent

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/index.html


5 hours later, they dropped 7 basis points. Unreal.




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