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Are tightly closed environments like this where we want personal computing to go next?

YES.

You want a guy like Steve in the driver's seat of how your platform should look, behave, and integrate with the user's daily life. Look at Linux: Its promise is that you can make it do or be anything and what has the open source community produced? Well, there's Ubuntu, a pale imitation of Windows in terms of integration, but by and large the open source community has switched to Mac.

If the iTablet were completely closed hardware-wise, had super-restrictive third-party app development, but still offered books, Wikipedia, and video via an always-on connection, for sale or free download as appropriate, it would still be a freakin' boon to mankind. And with the right restrictions in place it would be something immediately beneficial for every user instead of just a geek toy.




> [...] by and large the open source community has switched to Mac.

Are you claiming that by-and-large all open source software is targeted at OSX first, with Windows/Linux taking a backseat?

Are you claiming that the open source community is going to embrace Apple's tablet offering? How is this going to happen? Are open source apps going to be accepted into the tablet's AppStore? Are open source developers going to use the tablet as a development platform for whatever their target platform is?

Did you also take into account the fact that since OS X comes with so much open source software (Ruby,Python,Perl,etc) 'baked-in' that lots of 'MacHeads' have joined the Open Source community as a result? Did you take into account that many people that switched from Windows to OS X and were presented with the Open Source software that comes with it have also joined the Open Source community?

Sorry, but I take issue with people that decide to make far-reaching claims without anything to back them up other than their own personal opinions. 'Begging the question' seems appropriate here.


> but by and large the open source community has switched to Mac.

Allow me to at least question that assumption ...


Based on idly counting laptops at conferences and other gatherings it seems plausible. Yes some of those macs are dual booting Linux, but most are running OS X (based on highly unscientific and statistically weak observation) . I won't dare to estimate numbers, but if you ignore developers working on operating system and desktop based projects, I wouldn't be surprised if OS X is moving towards becoming single most popular OS among the remaining open source developers.


I wouldn't be surprised if OS X is moving towards becoming single most popular OS among the remaining open source developers.

This assumes a shrinking pool. Open Source development is happening at a higher rate than ever before, and the number of Open Source developers and users is higher than ever before.

Yes, Apple has seen a dramatic increase in market share, but before that Windows laptops were abundant at Open Source conferences; before a few years ago, running Linux on a laptop was a harrowing and challenging experience, and most people (even developers) simply could not make it all work. I'm only on my second "fully functional under Linux" laptop, and I've always bought laptops with Linux compatibility in mind.

Apple happens to make the nicest laptop hardware, and Mac OS X happens to run best on it. And, for many tasks, particularly tasks common to laptop usage, Mac OS X is an acceptable substitute for Linux in ways that Windows never was.


To counter anecdotes with more anecdotes, I went to a code camp a few weeks ago, and there was an overwhelming number of laptops running Microsoft OS's. When I pulled out my mac book pro one guy actually commented on it. I saw one other person with a Mac -- it was dual-booting Windows XP.

Of course, I couldn't tell you how many of the participants are open source contributors.


Among developers as whole I agree that Windows as huge percentage of the market share and that that probably won't change. But among open source developers I think it's different. For various historical reasons most open source development targets Unix and Unix like systems as a primary platform and OS X is currently the most popular unix like platform.




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