> I'm simply saying that some people don't believe that they can do anything about depression themselves, even though it isn't really in any doubt that psychological treatments help depression.
Getting treatment is literally getting help from other people. In other words, it is not doing anything about depression themselves.
Also, even though Cognitive Behavior Therapy is very effective at treating depression, it does not help all depression, which doesn't discredit it but indicates that depression is complex ensemble of disorders that cannot all be treated in the same way. Depression that is resistant to CBT and antidepressants is scary.
It should also be noted that one of the ways depression manifests is as strong feelings of helplessness, intrusive thoughts, vicious circles of reasoning, and a debilitation of executive function which by definition makes people unable to help themselves.
I'm not sure why you even brought up these 'some people' who are not mentioned anywhere in the submitted link and certainly did not come in here to chime in about their deep need to absolve themselves of the crushing guilt that often accompanies the life dysfunction caused by depression. I think you made them up.
> You're putting words into my mouth.
You used the term 'personal responsibility'. The word 'responsibility' has connotations of duty and obligation. The term 'personal responsibility' as a whole is a dog whistle used commonly in American politics to attack vulnerable populations of people. It is innuendo. The words came out of your mouth, and unfortunately once they're out, they are received in other ears. I'll certainly regret and feel embarrassed having told you to "fuck off" in a few hours or so. C'est la vie.
> Given your angry ranting in response to my arguments, it sounds like you disbelieve the science, so you are in fact proving my point.
I'm angry because you touched a nerve and this subject is important to me. It doesn't have anything to do with the particulars of my understanding. You're rationalizing away my anger towards you. Is it not at all conceivable to you that you can say something that bothers someone for good reasons?
Is it conceivable that you bothered yourself by inferring all sorts of things that weren't actually said due to your own biases? I'd say it's not only conceivable, it's way more likely to be correct than the tack you've taken here.
Getting treatment is literally getting help from other people. In other words, it is not doing anything about depression themselves.
Also, even though Cognitive Behavior Therapy is very effective at treating depression, it does not help all depression, which doesn't discredit it but indicates that depression is complex ensemble of disorders that cannot all be treated in the same way. Depression that is resistant to CBT and antidepressants is scary.
It should also be noted that one of the ways depression manifests is as strong feelings of helplessness, intrusive thoughts, vicious circles of reasoning, and a debilitation of executive function which by definition makes people unable to help themselves.
I'm not sure why you even brought up these 'some people' who are not mentioned anywhere in the submitted link and certainly did not come in here to chime in about their deep need to absolve themselves of the crushing guilt that often accompanies the life dysfunction caused by depression. I think you made them up.
> You're putting words into my mouth.
You used the term 'personal responsibility'. The word 'responsibility' has connotations of duty and obligation. The term 'personal responsibility' as a whole is a dog whistle used commonly in American politics to attack vulnerable populations of people. It is innuendo. The words came out of your mouth, and unfortunately once they're out, they are received in other ears. I'll certainly regret and feel embarrassed having told you to "fuck off" in a few hours or so. C'est la vie.
> Given your angry ranting in response to my arguments, it sounds like you disbelieve the science, so you are in fact proving my point.
I'm angry because you touched a nerve and this subject is important to me. It doesn't have anything to do with the particulars of my understanding. You're rationalizing away my anger towards you. Is it not at all conceivable to you that you can say something that bothers someone for good reasons?