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I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone accuse anything Apple made of being garish.


The "touch bar" was garish. So were the G3 iMacs if you remember back that far.

They're just a company. They have good designers but they make mistakes like anyone else.


Behold, the Blue Dalmatian and Flower Power iMacs!

https://www.cultofmac.com/468313/flower-power-blue-dalmatian...


Well .. you should see the quadrillions of grey sharp cornered boxes those beautific gumdrops put to shame!


They only have like 2% of the PC/laptop market, so not many people think they're that attractive. I like my M1 MacBook itself, but hate the aluminum chassis. I find it brutally garish, sharp and uncomfortable (hurts to type on, hurts my wrists where they rest on a sharp edge, so it's basically a desktop with an attached keyboard and mouse)


It's fine that you don't like it, but it's not garish. That's just not what the word means. MacBooks are literally the opposite of that:

adjective

gar· ish | \ ˈger-ish \

Definition

1 : clothed in vivid colors

//a garish clown

2 a : excessively or disturbingly vivid

//garish colors

//garish imagery

b : offensively or distressingly bright : GLARING

3 : tastelessly showy : FLASHY

//garish neon signs

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/garish


Apologies then, I understood it to mean tasteless, not necesarrily bright or colorful.


Admitting when you’re wrong is tough. Here’s an upvote.


so not many people think they're that attractive

Do most people buy a laptop based mainly on appearance? I always thought that most people buy a Windows laptop because that's what they need for work/school (or what they are most familiar with from work/school).


Many of my friends think most windows laptops look garish


Windows 11 is pretty terrible. So much bad design, I wonder how they do it.


> I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone accuse anything Apple made of being garish.

Not that I disagree in general, but the Apple Watch Edition is arguably in that zone.

Most recently, he was seen wearing a solid 18k yellow gold Apple Watch on a special gold bracelet that was never made available to the public (the same one that Beyoncé and other celebrities were also rocking). The best part though? He appears to have never actually set the thing up, instead going Andy Warhol–style, wearing it purely as a piece of jewelry.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/karl-lagerfeld-audemars-pi...


I wouldn’t consider something that was never made available to the public a product, nor what looks like a simple gold bracelet particularly garish.


I think operating system is much more common of a term than OpenSearch?


I think Go would be much more suitable to OpenSearch rather than to an operating system?

And the title says “OS”, not “an OS”, leading me to think that OS was a proper noun. Is that so crazy?

Anyway, the title is a bit vague, writing “an operating system” would just be better for everybody.


This doesn't contribute to the discussion. Nor make sense?


Yeah, it was silly. /shrug


I agree, no examples means I have to download and try it out - no thanks .


Effective Java by Joshua Bloch is fantastic for covering up to Java 9. There have been incremental updates since then but this book will get you 95% of the way, and it is very well written.


not really good for learning Java though, more for intermediate Java programmers. A much better book for someone learning the language is Core Java by Horstmann, which starts from the beginning and goes into depth.


Is this beat-poet anti-Microsoft thing a character or how you are in real life?


Depends if you cook. A lot of people are going to want a stove. I would never consider renting an apartment without a stove and oven and I am willing to wager that nor would a large percentage of the population. So you are kinda forced to have one if you own an apartment you are renting.

If you own it and live in it sure you can not have a stove or oven if you want. But then if you ever sell it and the next person wants one... its going to hurt the value I imagine.


They sell black ties and white shirts still, perhaps you can buy them and live out this fantasy.


But there are no old school cubicle offices to go to anymore. Offices have turned into hotel lobbies where nothing happens except terrible software engineering using Jira and some HR bullshit to deal with. Great coffee though. Actually, just realized, if an office space has bad coffee, it'd probably be my type of a place.


I hate Jira as much as the next guy, but I think you are confusing what you hate about some type of company with what you think the reasons are for 'terrible software engineering'. The coffee at my office is very bad though, so maybe you want to apply there.


My company turned their office where every engineer had their own room in an open-space dance floor. 60% of the engineer team became remote after that. But HR and Marketing loved this change.


A literal dance floor or an open-floorplan office?


open-floorplan with music where people from marketing, hr, sales talk loud while going to infinite smoke breaks


Old school is an office with a door or someone's garage.


Heat stroke at 25c! Is this in 100% humidity?


I honestly mean this with no disrespect but having written code exclusively in vim in the terminal for several years and the same in IntelliJ, I am confident that either: - you don't have to write Java full time, and/or - you don't have to work in a large Java code base, and/or - you haven't been exposed to IntelliJ's features and how they can save you time

I love vim, I really do, but IntelliJ is a Java-specific IDE and there is absolutely no way that vim or emacs or vscode can compete on features. You can refactor code in a split second in ways that are just not possible in vim/emacs. IntelliJ has an understand of the structure of your Java code that vim simply doesn't have and will never catch up to having as its a general purpose tool and IntelliJ is a specific tool. Its vim mode is also pretty good. The only downside of Jetbrains IDEs is that they can be slow when indexing large projects and they can be slow in general. But I would still 10 times out of 10 choose to make a commit in IntelliJ over vim for a Java project that is non-trivial.

If you write Java I would (as strongly as possible) recommend giving IntelliJ another go and looking into its refactoring and other features.


This thread is about a course on Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment. After looking at the content of the course, I'd argue that there's an implied "Systems" between "Advanced" and "Programming". (Indeed, this course is taught using the famous book whose title it borrows, and is heavily C oriented.)

Java is neither common nor especially well suited for the topic of this course.

So while I share your opinion on IntelliJ as a Java IDE, I would not recommend it for UNIX systems programming. And even the IntelliJ-derived Clion, which is (IMO) decent for that, leaves something to be desired when it comes to learning the topic.


The necessity of intellij just shows how much Javas type system is abused. I don’t know what it is about java but you see the craziest types in codebases: IAbstractBeanFactoryResolverInjector<IDisplayableAppletResolverInjector>


Is that the type system's fault or the whole Spring/dependency injection fault? You're using a typed language and making it behave in dynamic ways when using Spring (at least that's the impression I had when I looked at Spring).


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