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Maybe they will main two Windows installation images, with and without?


Undoubtedly the EU will eventually require this


Several years to implement (unless a 'save the children' clause can be inserted). Several more years of litigation. Tiny fine. Profit.


> Our users may or may not work here

What's the point of that section?


Humor, I believe (:

Poking fun at similar sites that plaster tech company logos on their splash pages to make it seem like they're important, when any real affiliation may be tenuous at best.


Is anyone still using feeds out there?

Don't get me wrong, I've loved to follow blogs through a feed reader (way better than a freaking email newsletter), but I pretty much stopped because a lot of the stuff I was reading started dropping support for it.


i've never run across a blog that i've wanted to follow that doesn't have an rss/atom feed - they are often hidden / in unexpected places though - these days i just ctrl+u (view source in firefox) and ctrl+f for "rss" or "atom" and 99% of the time, there's a hit.


> i've never run across a blog that i've wanted to follow that doesn't have an rss/atom feed

One time only for me. Don’t even remember the site as I couldn’t follow it ;)

> these days i just ctrl+u (view source in firefox) and ctrl+f for "rss" or "atom" and 99% of the time, there's a hit.

I tend to not even do that much, the vast majority of sites have their feeds properly marked up, so pasting the base URL into my reader gives me a list of available feeds.


If you are getting hits for this you are probably finding the auto-discovery <link> tag. You can get browser extensions that find this automatically and put up an icon that you can click to direct you to your favourite reader. Most readers also support just pasting the article URL and it will find the feed for you.


I've found nothing better for keeping track of infrequently updated blogs. You can follow a firehose of news on Twitter as missing a story or ten isn't a big deal. But things that are updated every six months doesn't work at all with social media if you're looking at the feed occasionally.


I even read HN via RSS: https://hnrss.org/newest?count=100


That's how I found this post. RSS is still far too useful.


I mainly used RSS feeds at this point. The Reddit community has become pretty toxic so decided to move away from it and just follow websites I like and trust via RSS.


Reddit supports RSS by appending .rss to a sub-reddit's URL: eg. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/.rss


Depends on the sub. Some are definitely toxic cesspools, others are very friendly and cool. I've tried to quit Reddit several times, but unfortunately there's some good conversation and important troubleshooting that happens there of all places.

I think it'd be nice if certain subs could disable the karma system as they degenerate into posting pictures of what arrived in the mail today instead of discussing anything meaningful.


> Depends on the sub.

It depends on the size, and your opinions. I don’t like movies and enjoyed the Wheel of Time TV show, people like me are not wanted in /r/fantasy.

But it is a big subreddit (3 million), and that just comes with toxicity. I’d say anything with over 100k subs (probably even less) will have toxicity, it’s just that it tends to stay hidden until someone says the wrong thing (/r/selfhosted with 250k had some crazy drama a while ago).


Depends on the sub. If someone ever asks about joining reddit my first recommendation is to unsub from all the defaults. That's where most of the idiocy of the general public is


How else do you follow blogs, or follow webcomics?

I don't think I've ever seen a blog or webcomic that doesn't support RSS. If I ever do, then "oh, this author is interesting, but I guess I will never in my life see anything they do again. That's a shame".

I'm not going to poll someone's blog on the off chance that they posted something.


Webcomics are still fairly good at it. I don't really understand how else I would go about following a webcomic that has plot (i.e. I want to read each episode exactly once, in order).


I used to keep up to date with everything via google reader (especially as it meant I could get round work internet blocks) but when that went down, i switched to Feedly.

But then it just became overload, it was just too much to keep up to date with every blog I found interesting and every news site kept filling their site with ever more blog pieces in the name of "content"

I just gave up. It's much easier to let reddit subs sort the wheat from the chaff and read them instead.


If a site doesn't have a feed, and nobody else third-party generates a feed for it, then sometimes I just don't follow that site much. It depends. If you use a competent rss reader like FreshRSS then you can alternatively do web scraping even if there isn't an rss feed per se, if the site seems worth that much effort. Many aren't worth that effort.


What are you using instead of feeds??


what site do you not have a feed for? There are feeds for basically everything short of like... twitter.


eBay dropped RSS a year or so ago. It was handy for getting Buy It Now items before anyone else even got their daily email search results.

Reuters had RSS but dropped it a few years ago. There are a few news sites I'd like to have RSS but don't.


Absolutely, and almost everything I want to follow has a feed.

I run a tiny (Raspberry pi 3) miniflux instance as a web-based reader and have been very happy so far.


I am, using rss-bridge (https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge) to access feeds on other services (mostly twitter).


Not only software. I can only imagine the amount of artists involved in this thing.


Who would thought, years ago, seeing an email address "@linux.microsoft.com"?


The creation of that domain must have a story.

"We're getting ignored in the mailing lists. What can we do about it?"


Genuine question: why there are folks still using fax?


Up until very recently my grandpa would use fax to send complaints to just about anything. It was about as stereotypical grumpy old man as you can imagine. He's a good person, just old-school formal when he writes. Comes of as a bit ... harsh.

I thought it was going to end when they dismantled the analog network, and his fax machine with it, but somehow it just got worse. You see, on fax machines you rarely got spam, but on email that's another story. It's hilarious to see the email exchanges he has with some spammers. They've met their worst enemy.

He is more than capable to identify spam, but he doesn't fully understand that, while sent to him, it's nothing personal. He takes it very personal. Very personal. Like, call me late in the evening or during work hours (unheard of for someone in his school) to discuss this outrageous claim that someone made about him. He, like a lot of senior citizen, has a lot of free time. So he naturally replies back. And we're talking full page replies, going into great detail about how they are bad people for doing this to someone like him.


Au contraire; fax spam was a reasonably big problem: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/2-2-trillion-lawsuits...


>You see, on fax machines you rarely got spam

When I entered the workforce I was surprised to see how much fax spam there was, usually a sheet or two every week. It's tapered off to ~ a couple of sheets per fortnight in recent times though. It is kind of amusing to see fax phishing with personalised cover notes attached to some spam about light furnishings etc.

I wish I could do the old "faxing sheets of black paper taped into a loop" trick but I'm sure the scammers are using e-fax now.


I used to have a fax number one off of a pharmacy .... I got someone's prescription every week or so ....


I can't wait to be old and have this much free time. I'm going to annoy the heck out of some youngsters.


"Waste what life I have left? I'll not only waste yours but also the potential of what you've got ahead of you."


In the US, clinical medicine and law firms use it because it has an unusual legal status: it’s considered secure and positively delivered if some device at the other end acknowledges it.

In Japan many businesses are still wedded to a fax. It’s much easier to scribble a take out order on a piece of paper.


How is it secure though? It’s unencrypted!


It's considered secure by the law (probably because historically the phone network was considered mostly secure). Doesn't matter if it isn't really until the law changes or some court overthrows it.


It's point-to-point. Unless someone is tapping your phone line, or you dial the wrong number, where's the insecurity?

Contrast that with email, which goes through any number of emails, sits in queues, gets backed up, etc.

Of course some of the time you're actually faxing a fax-to-email gateway, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.


> where's the insecurity?

All of the other security issues aside, how about simply walking over to the unprotected fax machine and leaving with a stack of "private" records?

Not sure you want to die on the hill of defending fax security.


Again the threat vector is the people within physical vicinity. People who would then be subject to trespassing or theft charges. And likely caught on camera.

Versus the entire world on the internet.

Yeah, I'll take fax security over normal email security, thanks.


But the current standard for normal email security is TLS at every leg from inbox to inbox?

I mean I get the dream of not having the consider the network as an adversarial entity but surely they're about the same?


Somehow institutions are still pretending the emperor is wearing the nicest looking clothes, they're pretending fax is secure from "photoshopping"/data tampering.


Due to the GDPR (most regional regulators do not consider normal fax to be secure, and of course it creates otherwise unnecessary paper copies of data) medical systems in Europe are being slowly weaned off it. I gather a lot of doctors are putting up a fight.


> In Japan many businesses are still wedded to a fax. It’s much easier to scribble a take out order on a piece of paper.

I recall reading how noodle shops in Japan take orders [at least To Go and//or Pick Up] via fax.


I'm waiting for faxing to come back like cassettes:

Artists draw pictures and robodial a secret fan list (through a POTS modem and some 90s software) of fax machines where insiders can get exclusive limited physical copies of the art and the copies with the earliest timestamps become the most valued.

People will just be sitting around their house and they hear the fax machine starting to unexpectedly print something on a Saturday afternoon. Then, like some tactile version of a phone alert, they slowly watch the paper slide out of the machine with the latest artwork.

The lost joy of anticipation in the 30 or so seconds of waiting as you see the thing slowly form in front of you, recaptured once again.

Alternatively they hear from their friend that a new artwork is out and they anticipate going home and checking the tray of their fax machine to see their own copy.

This should be a thing, it sounds fun


You do it and I'll be the first subscriber, as long as i can afford it :)


I'm not really an artist but ok sure. I can certainly fax some doodles. I'll think about how to pitch and present it. I'll register artsyfax.com this week and throw something together. I even have a pnp modem and a pots line.

There's probably Linux fax software nobody has used in 15 years that can import vcards and be scripted with lua or something.


do you have a way of receiving a fax? I don't have a way of testing this thing.


> Genuine question: why there are folks still using fax?

In healthcare, because despite the technical reality that it is electronic, it's not considered “electronic media” under HIPAA, so security and transaction & code sets standardization rules that apply to electronic transactions do not apply to transactions conducted by fax.

It's a giant compliance hole in HIPAA that entities in the healthcare space ruthlessly exploit. (Various incentives to move to mechanism that are considered electronic under HIPAA have chipped away at it, but the compliance hole still keeps people using it.)


It seems to be the same as cheques and magstrip-only cards - uniquely American thing that rest of the world hasn't seen in years.

I do remember not that long ago opening an apple developer account required filling out a form with your card details and faxing it to some US-based number. It was madness back then already.


Aha, another Apple developer who remembers that! So I wasn't confabulating.


I remember in an old job we didn’t have a fax machine... Until we started opening a US office, because apparently it’s pretty much mandatory there.


Because legally it's the same as a physical document. Which is not true for printouts, emails, etc.

There is no technical reason for it to be so, but it is what it is.

Fax is actually ancient tech, predating the phone way back into the telegraph days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantelegraph


Considering a fax is a print, I'm not sure what the printout comment is regarding.

The presence and non-exclusion of email/IP gateways show how backwards the law surrounding this is.


The law is not based on reality.

If I sent you a fax, and your fax machine (of whatever type) printed it out, that copy is legally as good as the original.

If I scan, then email, and you print it out, it is not legally as good as the original.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense, it is what it is.


I wouldn’t be quite so hard on the law here.

The law is based on precedent.

Fax was a new technology. For the first time a signed document could be sent over the wire in minutes, instead of having a courier go via train and take days. This is 100 years before computers were common.

When computers became common fax was already well established so there was no good reason to add a second exception.


I realize the fax predates POTS. But to say "When computers became common fax was already well established" is not really accurate. If you mean the 1970s (personal/home computer revolution), then no one had a fax machine at home back then. They just were not around.

Few offices had them, too -- teletypes were more common than fax machines, even though teletypes didnt do graphics like fax. I've read that police departments had fax machines for mug shots or maybe fingerprints, but i have no first-hand knowledge.

Anyway, I'm just trying to relate history to you from someone who was there. Wikipedia articles or retrospectives don't always get the nature of things right, even if they do get the hard facts like dates right.

Another example: you could say television was invented in the first decade of the 1900s. But they weren't household items until the 1950s, maybe late 1940s if you want to count NYC specifically.


Faxes date from just after the civil war area. They were in common usage for transmitting contracts by the 1880s. Photographic material by the 1920s

This equipment would have typically been installed at a telegraph office, not at the end user site, but the basic technology is far older than most people assume.


I know how old the technology is. You completely missed my point. They were NOT in coomon use even in the 1970s, even if am article on the internet claims it. I was there. Were you?


All hail to fax, but only now in the time of COVID-19 has the Supreme Court Of The United States accepted that telephones exist -- let alone as a means of communication, but also as a matter of legal deliberation.

I wonder how long it shall take to have electronic communication to be accepted, legally, as normal and standard across the board.


The point I was trying to make is that you sending the fax could be pdf > email > fax service > pots > fax service > email > pdf. The end result is a lower quality replication compared to email > email. There's no way the law says either the fact that it looks worse than the email or that someone can point to a contract that says it took place over pots makes the transmission more valuable.


Legally admissible digital signatures do exist, and you can infinitely photocopy a digitally signed document, though. Not so with fax, where a photocopy would count as a different document.


I have done this and am thankful for it.

I have gone so far as to have a digital copy of my analogue signature to drag-drop into an electronic document. And this has been accepted as legal. Courtroom legal. IRS legal. "Don't fuck with this" type of legal.

I hope this continues into the future.


> digital copy of my analogue signature to drag-drop into an electronic document

This will not work in Europe. You need proper public-key cryptosigning here. That was what I meant when I wrote "legally admissible digital signature". What you wrote is called "digitised signature" here, and would only be useful as a decorative sign.


What type of middleman blesses a "legally admissible digital signature"? This sounds like the same, if not a similar, rabbit hole folks in the US conjure up against voting machines.


You bless maths, not the middlemen in digital signatures. Electronic signature infrastructures are usually based on strong public key infrastructures, which I call them legally admissible digital signatures. The primary problem with electronic voting is no possible enforcement of no coercive force rule, not tallying security.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_signature to start.


> The primary problem with electronic voting is no possible enforcement of no coercive force rule, not tallying security.

How is this not "blessed by maths" as not in the previous problem?

Someone somewhere has to bless something, be it a valid vote or a valid digital signature. If there is a "Pope" for one, there should be a "Pope" for the other. Medical, government, religious ... someone somewhere must have a magic "I Bless This" magic wand and all henceforth below shall must be valid.

Why is the branch of "digital signature" considered "good" in this respect but "voting" not? "Medical" not"?

I viciously hate to say the term, yet ... this seems so "tri-cameral" ... and in terms of schizophrenia of illogic.


Coercive forces that cause vote buying cannot be stopped by mathematical axioms. Only way out is to adopt a permanent consensus-free self-stabilising social system, but that algorithm becomes the keystone of whole society then.


A lot of deaf people still use fax machines to do things like place orders (often older deaf folks that can't or won't use email... or when trying to deal with orgs that don't check their email). It's a very accessible technology (except for the blind I suppose). This was the case when I was working with some deaf people around 8 years ago, maybe things have changed since then as fax machines have become less common. But fax is still very popular in Japan IIRC.

For a while, it was handy to be able to fax forms to Studylink and WINZ (New Zealand social security/student loans orgs), but they have recently set up a website where you just scan or photograph documents and upload them.


I think this may be something that varies to region.

I lived in the UK for 32 years and never sent a fax or even saw a fax machine outside of a museum.

Couple of years ago I moved to Australia. Got a credit card for travel with Bankwest. In order to set up a direct debit to pay it off I had to fax them.

In the end I got them to fax themselves my details.

I'm not sure whether Bankwest is just incompetent, or if they deliberately make this difficult so that more people will miss their payments.


Weird. My experience with Australian banks has been the opposite. Sign up and ID verification online/in-app, and within a few minutes I have a new bank account I can transfer money in and out of.


Guess it varies per bank. My main accounts are with NAB, and they seem pretty up to date.

Maybe Bankwest in particular are stuck in the past.


Unfortunately, sometimes you have no choice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/nyregion/coronavirus-ny-u...

I think everyone would love fax to just go away and die, but there are still places where it's used (I believe pharmacies are an example?)


Legacy procedures, some legally mandated I think. I'm thinking about the CA DMV, who had ancient and byzantine computer systems that were quite difficult to replace, both from a technical and from a bureaucratic stand point.


A very good question. It’s like using email to send a telegram.


many legacy businesses have institutional technical debt and higher priorities that makes it easier to not deal with faxes.


I recently hooked up my old SNES on a CRT TV, and the input lag difference from a conventional TV and a PS4 bluetooth controller is staggering.

I can only imagine the input lag horror on cloud gaming. Maybe for a story-driven or turn-based game would be fine. Maybe.


Jokes aside, shouldn't the page start with actually teaching how to quit vim?

The page is considerably popular to show up on a Google search. I imagine the frustration of a beginner actually trying the first examples and not getting the joke immediately.


Yeah, I mean if you really wanted to help people exit Vim you'd trap Ctrl-c in command mode and print the instructions at the bottom of the screen.

Something along the lines of "Type :qa and press <Enter> to exit Vim" would probably do it...


At this point, learning how to exit vim by yourself is just standard hazing practice for new devs.

It's not a bug, it's a feature.


This kind of advice confused me early on because I didn't realize the : was part of the command for way too long. For beginners, you might want to spell it out further as: "shift and the : key, then qa, then Enter"


I think that's a great suggestion and probably gets the root of the whole exit vim meme.


I don't have a qa key though


I’ll laugh about this now but then probably find out later that it was actually based on an obscure teletype terminal that actually had an “qa” key.


You're only targetting old 1970s terminal users, there, though.

If you wanted to also help slightly more modern users who are used to CUA conventions from GUIs, you would have the [F1] key bring up some form of help screen, which said something like "Get out of Vim: Use :qa!" at the top.


You're only targeting old 1990s GUI users there, though.

If you wanted to also help silghtly more modern users who are used to discoverable-UI conventions from mobile apps, you would have it so shaking your device brings up some form of chat bot, which would suggest asking it how to quit Vim.


1980s. [F1] is CUA 1987.

And one of these ideas is not like the others.

Clippy, please tell everyone how Lio's and my if-only-VIM-did-this ideas are different to Kerrick's idea.


Yes, the version on my machine prints

    Type  :qa!  and press <Enter> to abandon all changes and exit Vim


I'd bet that most people who get stuck don't start vim themselves though. I taught (the basics of) git to a bunch of students recently and the first time we did a commit I had to go around the room and show people how to operate vim. I bet the same happens when new people use visudo, etc


This is why vim is a bad default. Thankfully, there's someone thinking about changing this [0].

[0] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-W...


I don't know about vim, but in neovim you're greeted by the following when you launch it the first time:

type :help nvim<Enter> if you are new!

type :checkhealth<Enter> to optimize Nvim

type :q<Enter> to exit

type :help<Enter> for help

This joke is pretty outdated :P

(But still kind of funny)


You get the same thing in vim, but only when you open it without a file. Chances are, you only do that when you're already a vim user, and most non-users will be confronted with any random program opening a file in vim for them to edit (visudo, git commit, etc.)


git will open pico if you haven't configured an editor. It's annoying.

If you have configured an editor, hopefully you already know how to quit.


It has to open something, and pico/nano, at least, has a menu that tells you how to quit. What else would be a preferable default?


I'm open to the idea that there isn't a better default, but that doesn't make it less annoying.

Another option would be to fail and prompt the user to configure an editor preference. That wouldn't be much different (to me) than what it does now.


Nope.

The best thing that can happen to a beginner is they continue being frustrated with vim, quit it before they get in too deep, and just use shitty idees like the rest of us trash.


My first go at vim was an accident. I was using git and ended up there. I later tried to change the editor invoked by git to something else, but have concluded that was dumb and the only real option is to learn vim. It's still on my todo list. As is the actual OSS work I want to contribute after climbing this hill. It should not be this way.


You don't ever tick that item on the todo list. Learning vim is a never-ending path to wisdom.


VScode's text editing/ diff/ git tool is really good.

It helps that VScode is also my editor of choice in general.


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