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The mistake which this podcast made was to misinform their listeners. Given that informing their listeners is their core mission, it's a pretty unforgivable mistake. Better to listen to another podcast which takes their mission more seriously.

Any podcast that has "informing their listeners" as a core mission will make mistakes now and then. It happens because we are all humans and not Gods. All I'm trying to do here is push back against the suggestion of the article that you write off people based on a single mistake. A world in which I can never make a mistake is not a world I want to live in.

There’s an obvious difference between a one-off mistake and one which is part of a pattern of continuous deception meant to bias the audience in one particular political direction; the mistake mentioned in the article is clearly the latter. It does not deserve the benefit of the doubt you’re giving it, as a genuine one-off would (particularly if they mentioned, corrected, and apologized for the mistake, which I predict with high confidence they will not do).

Disagree. We need to build unions back up.

> What they've done lately is assume they could ignore one of their largest ones, that it would always support them no matter how much they despised it and insulted it.

You were doing OK until you got to this part.


What do you think would be a more correct statement?

He's our Sergio Berlusconi.

> And finally for me, the strong "pro-women" policies are distasteful for me.

Women still face rampant discrimination. I get that it doesn't affect you personally, but to take it so far as to be offended is really distasteful to me.

This is the crux of right wing ideology. It's all about "me, me, me". So, when Trump lavishes praise on you and promises you your heart's every dream, how can you resist? It's all about you, right?


> I get that it doesn't affect you personally, but to take it so far as to be offended is really distasteful to me.

When you grow up in a system that taught you from birth that you are a problem, a demon, a "danger", uncontrollable, etc you'd understand. When you've watched men be destroyed by the lop-sided family court system and divorce law, or have no sexual freedom when it comes to whether or not you want a child you'd understand. Masculinity of any flavor is demonized unless it caters specifically to "raising women up". Men occupy the most dangerous jobs, die earlier, and suffer the most in terms of suicide and lack of proper mental health resources, and are forced into a draft because of their gender. Is this equality you can stand for?

I'm offended the left preaches "equality" but doesn't actually believe it. I am personally tired of it. I am tired of feeling like a demon for simply existing. I am tired of having to uphold obligations that formerly had benefits, but now have at best negative benefit. At the very least with the right-wing I know exactly what I'm getting.

This isn't "me, me, me" it's ~50% of the population being actively railroaded literally from kindergarten to death by far left policy swinging the pendulum all the way to the other side of inequality.

> Women still face rampant discrimination

Is that why they are leading men on almost every happiness, work, and school metric? Or are the men suffering because "patriarchy hurts men too" or whatever nonsense they say now. I can tell you "the patriarchy" isn't the reason men are dropping out of society. Not by a long shot.

We have relevant examples of discrimination against men today. Trump voters are vile, white, male, homophobes and sexists. This is the message our boys are hearing. Does it sound appealing to anyone but a consummate masochist? If leftists continue to drive a wedge between the genders the R's will continue to win.


You seem to be regurgitating right wing talking points. I think Fox News, right wing talk radio, and right leaning podcasts are the core problem. They get people to focus on a few narrow issues, give them simple rationales and solutions, and just keep harping and getting people to stew about it.

It's weird that you don't realize how many other problems there are which your media sources are not talking to you about, and which you might otherwise find concerning. It's a big world with lots of problems, but you're presented with a few and told that these are the only ones you need to care about. It makes things simpler, but who knows if you might be worried about the wrong things? I guess you may never know.

Just by polling, Kamala Harris seems to be about as popular as Donald Trump, and it really comes down to partisanship.


>Just by polling, Kamala Harris seems to be about as popular as Donald Trump, and it really comes down to partisanship.

Polls historically lean left and many Trump voters are afraid of retribution and do not talk about their vote. I am one of them - to everyone I told them I'm voting for Kamala. Mostly because I don't want my car tires slashed, job lost, or house or family harmed. Then I walked into the polling both and voted R straight down the ticket. The 2020 riots have shown the left is capable of great violence and the mass media shaming people and placing them into buckets of "racist", "sexist", etc will make polls be decidedly wrong. This is once again a demonstration of the total lack of accountability the left has.

>but you're presented with a few and told that these are the only ones you need to care about.

I don't care about the rest of the world. I care only about myself and my family. If this is controversial to you I'm sorry. I have no intention to be a "good global citizen". I have found the idea to be abhorrent. What goes on some far off land I don't need to care about. I don't need to be constantly aware of every nuance of every microcosm of society. If it works for my family and me I vote for it - simple.

> I think Fox News, right wing talk radio, and right leaning podcasts are the core problem

MSNBC, CNN, NYT, TYT (which should've been demonetized like infowars) have been lying to the public for 8 years. Nearly everything they've said hasn't come to pass and it's primarily just Op-Eds disguised as news. "Anonymous sources" once again providing misinformation and incitements of violence that very clearly had a hand in creating the two failed assassination attempts. There is no nuance, at least no more nuance than Fox or NewsMax, and to say so reveals your own hardlined biases.


Those are a certainly list of ideas which right wingers have about the left. There's probably not much we can do about people who believe that stuff. They need to have a punching bag.

My main issue with right wingers is the derision, mockery, and anger which they direct at their political opponents. People talk about division in the country. I think that's by design. Right wingers have been doing this since the days when Paul Harvey was on the radio, and then later on Rush Limbaugh.


He does have support from actual literal Nazis. I don't think there a huge number of them, but he has their vote.

There was a global pandemic. We are in a recovery. The U.S. is doing far better than Europe in our recovery. We are basically most of the way back, and people will start to feel better next year. Trump will benefit despite having done nothing.

I agree he will benefit from some people doing better, but there are structural things which have been brewing for years. Yes, houses became much less affordable during the pandemic, and rents soared then, too, but that won't be fixed any time soon. The fact that men go to college at a much lower rate and the non-college jobs suck, that won't be fixed quickly either. There is a movement to on-shore manufacturing again, but that will take decades.

In general, Trump will benefit from the recovery of the last several years. It's unfortunate that many people don't understand how this stuff works.


Well, it's also the effect of Fox News, right wing radio, and right wing leaning podcasts which convince people to focus on issues which can be leveraged for political gain. There are lots of problems, but right wing voters are convinced to stew about a relatively small subset of the totality. And regarding those problems they also are only ever presented with a subset of available rationales and solutions.

This also simplifies things for them. Instead of the myriad of real problems in the world, conservatives can concentrate on only a few, all of which have simple rationales and simple solutions.


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