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In the same way you aren’t obligated to spend your free time running around defending the world’s richest company’s quest to limit workers rights but yet here you are.

but nvidia is the richest

Earnings, Apple is quite higher

And yet we can also just look at how memory vulnerabilities have impacted the Linux kernel over the years in order to assess how much they have helped to reduce the risk that memory unsafe languages bring.

You're right, and it's not just memory safety in the use-after-free sense. I just had to audit some out-of-bounds read CVEs, like https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2024-46723. Rust really makes you work hard to read past the end of an array.

Rust makes a lot of things hard.

Update: From your CVE "Clear warning that read ucode[] may out-of-bounds." So it seems this was catched by tooling.


…after public release. It’s nicer when tooling catches problems before it successfully compiles.

Not if this means horrible long compilation times. I agree it should be catched before a release. But this is a question of procedures and not of programming language.

It’s bullshit built on top of being able to solve the problem of bullshit. This really shouldn’t be surprising unless you expected them to work in the first place in which case I think that’s on you.

Honestly I wouldn’t hesitate to steal and break any meta ray bands I see on the street in real life. I don’t want to see that creepy always recording without permission kind of shit normalised.

Do you steal and break people's phones?

Not trying to be snarky, I think I very much understand your reaction to this constantly monitored and surveilled world we're in. I think it's arguable that these types of glasses will make it worse too.

But people are recording without permission on their phones since several years now - what has been your reaction there?

I'm not a very confrontational person, so I tend to grumble and say nothing.


Holding a phone in front of you to record is obviously deliberate, unlike wearing glasses.

theft and violence is your solution? what a nice group of "intellectuals" here at HN.

Wait until you hear about Teslas

I mean we do actually have many years of real life experience at this point of how they perform in the real world.

I’ve never actually come across a better maintained project personally. It is incredibly thoughtfully developed with a high level of attention to detail who have successfully shipped a huge number of major improvements in ways that made sense.

There is a premise in the post that implies Flutter is poorly maintained and that’s just not a commonly held belief by the community at all.

As I hinted to in another comment the particular person behind this is a bit of an oddball and I think there may be other reasons that drove this decision in the first place in addition to the ones he gave in the post which for the record I’m sure there are some things he wishes were prioritised differently but this fork seems kind of very “him” rather than a popular position that people were begging for.


Back in the real world however you have canonical for years now who have made flutter the default for all native linux desktop development.

I think your anecdotes are a bit out of date and irrelevant.

People much better informed than you looked at this problem in a lot more detail in real life situations and came to very different conclusions.


> you have canonical for years now who have made flutter the default for all native linux desktop development

And yet, I can't think of a single app I depend on for anything on Linux that relies on it.

How'd Snap go for Canonical?


Cool, none of that is remotely relevant to what we are talking about here.

Your anecdotes are dated and you should think about updating them so you don’t talk so confidently on things you don’t actually seem to know much about.

I mean that sincerely not as some internet gotcha there’s just no need to sit there defending a position that is based on old info just for the sake of it.


Yeah, the person primarily behind this is a bit of an oddball in my experience who had a somewhat contentious relationship with the team which he himself was once a part of and it’s not clear if he left or was asked to leave.

But reading that post I couldn’t help but shake the feeling that there might be other non disclosed reasons for the fork because some of the ones he did give as you pointed out didn’t make a lot of sense to me either.


It’s not just better than JavaScript, I would argue it’s probably the best general purpose modern OOP based language out there right now.

It was actually really fortunate in that for a long time it didn’t have a big community behind it and they just put a lot of very smart language designers on the team where they had ten years to try various approaches and learn from the mistakes of not only themselves but others without a lot of outside noise.

But there’s no other language I would prefer to write applications in. It’s just a really nice mix of ergonomic, expressive and powerful.


Right, it’s kind of known as the incel mobile I think by most people. In the same way when you see a MAGA hat on the street, you already know a lot about the person before they a a single word and you do your best to avoid them but other people with MAGA hats will give each other the wink and nod.

In my experience that’s the closest thing I could describe to the cyber truck experience and how most people look at it.


The Jeep wave, but less bend in the elbow


Wow had no idea there was a name for this. I rented a jeep in Colorado once and noticed other people driving jeeps waving (peace sign) at me while driving to Alma from Denver. First time I've experienced anything like that. Think I've motorcyclist slightly wave at each other before. To be honest I'd probably wave too if I saw another miata driver in Texas, but that's about as rare as seeing a lifted Japanese compact truck.

Nobody knows what an incel is, other than the terminally online.


They know exactly what it is when they see it even if they don’t have a word for it. We could call it the loser mobile if it makes things clearer I guess.

But honestly, I don’t know what point you’re trying to make here but I’m not talking about language, I’m talking about the reaction people have when they see people in cyber trucks.


Really curious on your definition of private here because I have a buttload of evidence that says that is entirely untrue and you can as a private citizen buy detailed demographic and location data at an easily identifiable level for people without even needing to talk to another person.


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