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Best Buy, the place where I had to literally explain to three employees six times that I did not want an extended warranty on my television? I'll pass.


No information is added, it just gives all islanders a synchronized reference point to sort themselves into groups. It's the synchronization that matters, not the info itself, per se. Once they all start sorting themselves on the same day (and KNOW that all other residents are doing the same) they start the countdown to day 100.


The information that is added is that the knowledge is made common or infinite degree (ie. everyone knows that everyone knows that everyone knows......that there is someone with blue eyes)


The time which everyone made an accurate count was the new common knowledge. I believe the traveler's words added no new information, or even his presence (other than bringing everyone together). It was the gathering together, where everyone could see everyone else, and know that counts were synchronized.

I think if there were an earlier all-hands-meeting without the traveler, the counts would have been synchronized then.

So, the faux pas had no effect, but he still "caused" it by accident. So, to combine the two arguments from the main link:

The foreigner's words have no effect, because his comments do not tell the tribe anything that they do not already know. On the 100th day, the blue eyed people commit suicide, unless they die/leave/disappear first.


You are wrong. The traveler's words are necessary, and you can easily see that by considering the case where the blue-eyed group consists of one person. Even when the entire island population is collected into a meeting, there is no reason for the unique blue-eyed person to suddenly intuit that he has blue eyes.


Not sure what you're refering to by "count" here. There's nothing to count. What matters is everybody coming into the knowledge that everybody knows at least one person has blue eyes. This takes a prompt about that, which is the foreigner's speech. If the foreigner doesn't cause them to start sorting themselves into blue eyes/not blue eyes groups, there's no basis for them to start deducing anything.


Counting is how they measure the days passed versus how many blue-eyed people they see. I'm sure you're right, but I have to check the assumption that seeing everyone is the same as hearing a fact about everyone.


They won't, because they only know that everybody else has brown eyes. They do not know if they themselves have brown/pink/green/purple eyes. They only know they don't have blue eyes.


I used to think that, but I've found there's way more to gain with Ctrl and using ctrl+[ instead of escape (or imap jj <Esc>)


imap jj <Esc> is a brilliant idea, thanks!


Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.


According to DJ Wonk's Law (shamelessly self-named), when discussing software estimation, it is inevitable (only a matter of time) that someone will mention Hofstadter's Law.


Yes but wouldn't it at least close the gap to make the time estimate a little more realistic?


True, and Parkinson's Law will ensure it will take at least that time


no trackball has more than 300DPI

My 1600DPI L-Trac disagrees.


Ok, One or two $100+ trackballs have it. While all sub $50 mouses are over 3000DPI...


My eyes are pretty messed up. Red and green look the same and I can't definitively tell dark blue from grey from purple. However I have no trouble with the default bootstrap buttons.

That said, I find the most helpful thing people can do is add icons or other effects completely different from colors. Because of my difficulty with colors, even ones I can "see" I have to concentrate on. Icons let me skip that.


I'm with you here. An overlayed pattern can be very helpful.


The only thing that drives me irrationally bonkers is the increasing use of "loosing" instead of "losing", even here on HN (https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=loosing). Mostly because I cannot comprehend how anyone can not know how to spell "losing". However, this isn't slang.


You cannot comprehend? Goose. Rose. I can see how writing "loose" instead of "lose" happens, especially for non-native speakers.


Even if you are a native speaker, typos happen.


Maybe even closer than you think. We've already done simulated tactile feedback in monkeys! http://io9.com/5846275/biotech-breakthrough-monkeys-can-feel...


I love the idea of this, but the benefit doesn't outweigh the cost when I can get a VPS for less.

EDIT: that said, I do normally only use 2 networks, and I'm fine with the first tier cost. It's just those occasional times I need to connect to a third network. Also I'm not sure how much 10000 messages is, but I imagine idling in a freenode channel could tear through that pretty quickly.


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