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On: Environmentally conscious smartphone is finally coming to the US

[indidea]

The Murena Fairphone 4 is available for $599 and runs on a Google-free /e/OS operating system instead of the standard Android OS.

On: Can I buy a phone that doesn’t use anything from Google or Apple?

[indidea]

Yes! https://e.foundation/e-pre-installed-smartphones/

On: Open source, privacy-enabled smartphone operating systems

[indidea]

Project website at: https://e.foundation/

On: Leaving Apple and Google: more devices now supported

[indidea]

Now there is a release forked from LOS 15, that supports new devices.

On: Leaving Apple and Google: more devices now supported

[indidea]

From e Foundation website: "our mobile phones, even when using no Google service, connect to Google Servers tens of times per hour (91 times per hour for an Android mobile with a total amount of 11,6MB of data sent on a single day, and 51 times per hour for an iphone, corresponding to 5,7MB of data sent to Google servers)." With a reference to: https://digitalcontentnext.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/DC...

[ma2rten → indidea]

Thanks. I didn't see that. Why exactly do iPhones send data to Google servers? Ads on apps/websites?

[johnklos → ma2rten]

Section F, page 4 has a summary:

f. While using an iOS device, if a user decides to forgo the use of any Google product (i.e. no Android, no Chrome, no Google applications), and visits only non-Google webpages, the number of times data is communicated to Google servers still remains surprisingly high. This communication is driven purely by advertiser/publisher services. The number of times such Google services are called from an iOS device is similar to an Android device. In this experiment, the total magnitude of data communicated to Google servers from an iOS device is found to be approximately half of that from the Android device.

[alain94040 → ma2rten]

From the article, I gather that the traffic is for google ads as you browse the web (AdSense).

[tinus_hn → alain94040]

Don’t forget Google Analytics, Google Fonts and Google AMP?

[kcirtap-hs → ma2rten]

iPhone uses Google as built-in search engine in Safari, thus indirectly compromising data privacy. And Apple is reported to get billions from Google for this https://community.e.foundation/t/google-could-be-paying-appl...

[grzm → kcirtap-hs]

Google is "built-in" as far as it's the default. It is changeable and can also be set to Yahoo, Bing, or DuckDuckGo, as well as Google.

On: Leaving Apple and Google: more devices now supported

[indidea]

Interesting reading: https://hackernoon.com/leaving-apple-google-e-first-beta-is-... https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/wiki/en/wikis/faq

[kop316 → indidea]

The hackernoon article was really good, thank you for that! It looks like it can integrate into a nextcloud installation, and nextcloud appears as the default for the /e/ install . That is a really nice feature for self hosting, but that also means that the data on the back end is accessible to the folks hosting it.

On: Eelo Mobile OS Kickstarter NEWS

[indidea]

excellent!