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Summary

Rich Hickey discusses the complexities of optionality in programming, particularly in Clojure’s spec system, emphasizing the need for clear schemas and handling of partial information.

Highlights

* Community Engagement: Acknowledges the presence of both newcomers and regulars at the event.

* Fashion Sense: Introduces a humorous take on the programming roadmap focused on fashion.

* Language Design: Explores the challenges of language design, especially regarding optionality in functions.

* Null References: Cites Tony Hoare’s “billion-dollar mistake” with null references as a cautionary example.

* Spec Improvements: Discusses plans to enhance Clojure’s spec system, focusing on schema clarity and usability.

* Aggregate Management: Emphasizes the importance of properly managing partial information in data structures.

* Future Development: Outlines future directions for Clojure’s spec, prioritizing flexibility and extensibility.

Key Insights

* Community Connection: Engaging with both veteran and new attendees fosters a collaborative environment, enhancing knowledge sharing and community growth.

* Humorous Approach: Infusing humor into technical discussions, like fashion choices, can make complex topics more relatable and engaging.

* Optionality Complexity: The management of optional parameters in programming languages is intricate, requiring careful design to avoid breaking changes.

* Null Reference Risks: Highlighting the historical pitfalls of null references serves as a reminder for developers to consider safer alternatives in language design.

* Schema Clarity: Clear definitions of schemas in programming can significantly improve code maintainability and reduce errors related to optional attributes.

* Information Aggregation: Understanding how to manage and communicate partial information in data structures is crucial for creating robust applications.

* Spec Evolution: Continuous improvement of the spec system in Clojure will enhance its usability, allowing developers to better define and manage their data structures.


Also Moonring. Not as huge as Balatro, but fairly well-known too.


One of you seems to be referring to the external bar (external expectations) and the other to the bar one sets for him/herself.

That difference in perspective seems to be at the root of the disagreement, too.


MoltenVK is also a thing. Whatever small translation overhead it incurs is probably not that important for a text editor. And then you get a cross-platform API: not just Linux, but Windows as well. Maybe also other more niche OSes as well.


Molten VK is amazing. When I started working with it, I was expecting a lot of caveats and compromises, but it's shockingly similar to just using Vulkan that you can easily forget that there's a compatibility tool in play.

Probably you can squeeze a bit of optimization out of using Metal directly, but I think it's a more than viable approach to start with Vulkan/MoltenVK as a target, and add a Metal branch to the renderer when capacity allows (although you might never feel the need)


Thunderbird is still alive and developing.


When they do "realize" that, B2B companies end up building products that are evaluated by procurement managers but not end users. Lots of examples in the industry.

So I'd really rather most didn't come to that realization. And, well, we as developers do have some influence.


To be fair, sometimes meticulous users investigate the bugs and write down logical chains explaining the causes and even offer a solution at the end (which they can't apply for the lack of commit access, for instance).

The proposed solution isn't always right, of course, but it would be incorrect to say that no bug reports come with a diagnosed cause. But that's exactly where a conscious reviewer is most needed, I believe.


I sometimes write a detailed bug reports but not a PR when there are different ways to address the problem (and all look bad to me) or the fix can introduce new problems. But I would expect LLM to ignore tradeoffs and choose an option which not necessarily the best for the same reason I hesitate - luck of understanding of this specific project.


Speaking of text editors and tools like that, you can often avoid having tests (or postpone adding them for a long time), if the logic is on the main execution path, meaning you'll execute it every time you run the program, and whatever failures that can happen, are reasonably easy to pinpoint (i.e. the program shows error backtraces or somehow traces problems otherwise).

This is from my experience hacking on Emacs, naturally.

At the same time, projects that you might ship for an employer or a client, are more critical to check for correctness before deploying, and are often more complex to run and check manually on the regular than writing at least one "happy path" integration test at least for the main scenario (or several).


I guess when the aliens finally arrive, the important part will be to avoid hugging them.


Probably safer to hug them than another human. Most diseases don't even cross species boundaries, seems unlikely they'd do well trying to infect a completely alien being.

The reason that diseases from the old world were so deadly, when they crossed the pond, is that they'd evolved to spread quite well even in humans with an evolved or acquired resistance and were suddenly in a completely unprepared population.


The danger would be organisms that simply eat our biochemistry but are entirely immune to any of our defenses. Think flesh eating bacteria from space, only it also basically eats our entire biosphere.


Aliens from different biospheres will never be able to have physical contact.

If they are close in biochemistry the dangers are extreme to catastrophic. If we actually found a crashed UFO with bodies we should drop a thermonuclear bomb on it immediately. Just ask the Native Americans.

If they are not biochemically close chances are we and our environment would be horribly toxic, freezing, or boiling hot to them and vice versa.


People in the new world and old world were both human, so diseases were able to spread.

Aliens probably won’t be human, so their diseases infecting us is unlikely at first


1 and 5 are semi-true, 2 is false (both parts), 3 and 4 are fair enough.

The overall statement is false (he remains the most recognized opposition figure in the country).


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