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It doesn't matter if Aaron Swartz is ineligible. We should still nominate him. We should nominate him so many times that granting the award to anyone else makes this award an obviously disingenuous publicity stunt.


Unpopular opinion: Aaron Swartz abused the trust which was placed in him by MIT as its guest when engaging in his civil disobedience, and MIT was perfectly justified not to intercede in his case.

A bit like if your friend comes to your house, you tell him, "don't smoke weed outside, the cops around here will arrest you," and your friend says "I support marijuana legalization, so I'll smoke wherever I want." Your friend smokes up on your front steps, you try to get him to stop (it's your house after all), and then the cops show up, rough you up a bit, and arrest him.

There are many more deserving than Aaron Swartz of this award, within and without the MIT community.


That is simply not what happen. He was never warned off MIT campus. The case was never one of trespassing with MIT - otherwise he'd have been slapped on the wrist with a local case.

Rather he was arrested by a federal secret service agent for CFAA violations that were based on extremely tenuous arguments that at the least most legal commentators concede was an egregious case of over-prosecution.

I'd love to hear your list of deserving award winners who are somehow notable dissidents without breaking something as lowly as a trespass law.


I'm not talking about violating trespass laws or any other legal principle---I'm talking about guestright. Aaron Swartz abused MIT's institutional journal subscriptions, which he had access to as a guest of the institution. He was warned to stop by MIT IS&T to an e-mail address he wasn't monitoring. When his IP was blocked, he got a new IP and kept downloading. He knew, or should have known, that his behavior was out of line, and yet he continued.

Do I think he should have been rung up on federal charges? No. But he wasn't a student, or a teacher, or a visiting researcher, or an alum. He had no official affiliation to MIT, and he showed no understanding of or respect for our culture. The flip side of an open culture is respect for and maintenance of the commons, and instead he exploited ours. It was really hard to defend him at the time for abusing the openness of the MIT community.

(And now, in fact, MIT affiliates like Aaron and me no longer have access to MIT's institutional subscriptions, in what I can only assume is partly a response to his actions.)

MIT's history has no shortage of people who were part of the institution and part of the culture, who the administration failed to support when that support was more justified and more needed than it ever was in Aaron's case. I'm sorry for the outcome, and I don't think he deserved it, but I don't think he deserves either some kind of posthumous award, nor does MIT deserve the scorn heaped on it by those who would canonize him.


Everybody makes mistakes. The failure in the Aaron Swartz case wasn't that he would be punished, it's that the punishment wasn't at all proportionate.

Lessig has been calling this fallacy "I'm right, therefore I'm right to nuke you."

Aaron Swartz was not a saint nor a demon. MIT failed to act after the prosecution had gone too far. They get as much blame for that as they deserve.


Exactly

The AS widows are becoming annoying


Look: there were a lot of people to whom he mattered, whom he left behind, and they're good people, a number of them my friends, and I care a lot about them. Their voices and concerns deserve to be heard, whether or not I agree with them.

The people who never knew him, and who don't know MIT or MIT culture, and who want to turn Aaron into some kind of Internet freedom martyr all out of proportion to who he was and what he actually accomplished, those are the folks who I have a beef with.


Thanks, my thoughts exactly. Especially the 2nd paragraph


Aaron Swartz being dead is becoming annoying.


There are many messages to take from Aaron's death.

I think one of the messages is that mental illness can affect anyone. Even people who seem perfectly normal. Even those who are rich. Even elites.

One reason Aaron took his own life might be that he felt he had no one to turn to. Or maybe he felt he shouldn't turn to anyone because he'd somehow be considered a failure.

Although it's perfectly valid to say that he was a victim of an injustice, I think we should also be conveying an additional message: That if you're dealing with something heavy, it's ok to reach out.

Hand in hand with that, the stigma against mental illness needs to end.


Aaron Swartz is mostly dead because of untreated mental illness. The things that happened to him were bad, but it's not MIT's fault he was suicidal.


That absolutely may have been a factor.

However, what 26 year old computer nerd without a black belt wouldn't give suicide some thought when staring at an unjust sentence in a federal prison of fifty years, AKA five decades, AKA half a century, AKA the majority of their remaining life expectancy, AKA about twice as long as their entire life up to that point and more than twice as long as they can remember?

Who wouldn't at least consider suicide when faced with the realization that even with time off for good behavior, by the time they got out they'd be closer to retirement age than to a reasonable age for restarting a career? That they'd have spent the most productive years of their life rotting away in prison instead of producing?

Weighing your pain avoidance instinct against your self preservation instinct is entirely rational. We don't put all of the blame on mental illnes, even if the person was mentally ill, when someone jumps to their death from a burning building or when a cancer patient opts for euthanasia. It's inappropriate to do so for Aaron Swartz.


It's not at all MIT's fault, blame lies with the prosecutor. In fact, blame also lies with the prosecutor when the defendant didn't end up committing suicide; and by extension, the various societal institutions that one way or another have allowed such overzealous legal harassment to be accepted.


I'd vote for Swartz or Snowden any day. But IMO voting for Swartz would serve mostly to shame MIT. Voting for someone else might make a difference to a live person.


MIT needs to be shamed publicly, regularly and continuously until they publicly apologize for their shameful behavior.

Giving this award to Swartz, and giving the money to his parents, along with a public statement of remorse and a public commitment to behaving more honorably in the future, would be an excellent way for them to do this.


If MIT were a person, sure. But it is a large organization with members holding multiple competing views. If one group is trying to do something good, do not shame them for another groups deeds, use them.

I'm not saying that this prize corrects the injustice done. It's an orthogonal option to do good. My 2c.


Those good people would hopefully want people to hold MIT to a standard when it comes to things like admissions, community involvement, support of students and researchers etc. rather than formal prizes. But maybe (hopefully) this is important for internal politics at MIT and not the best they can do.


Joi Ito, the current director of the Media Lab, highly praised Aaron during the memorial held at the Media Lab in 2013:

http://tech.mit.edu/V133/N12/swartz.html

The rest of MIT might deserve shaming, but please don't punish the Media Lab.


It's not my intention to "punish" Media Lab, I like the work they do. But from the article you just posted:

> The mood changed later in the memorial when speakers began criticizing MIT’s involvement in the Swartz case. Swartz’ partner, Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman, asked MIT to consider whether it considered itself a “scientist” or “bureaucracy” and expressed skepticism about the Abelson report.

It's clear from the dialogue in here that this was not a sufficient response for the wider community, and that more reform and response was (and still is) expected. The perception is that there was a largely neutral response from a part of MIT that should have been one of the loudest.

I just spent a month in Cambridge, and while I met some great people working on important things, I have to say, there's definitely some ossification over there and it's a real problem. We need some very loud advocates for online and software freedom in the academic world right now, perhaps more than we've ever needed them. And yes, we still need the right to read research produced with public funding.

I agree with many of the people in here that this should have been named the Aaron Swartz Disobedience Award, in his honor. Or keep the name, but say that it being awarded in his memory. It would have sent a powerful message, both to future Aarons and to the MIT upper admins that have steadfastly refused to own up to what they did.

This award is a great idea, but the silence of not even mentioning his name in it when it's the thing on everyone's mind is deafening.


> I just spent a month in Cambridge, and while I met some great people working on important things, I have to say, there's definitely some ossification over there and it's a real problem.

What does "ossification" means in this context?


And beyond that– to potentially many live people that the recipient is able to positively impact.


interesting titbit:

aaron's dad (Bob Swartz) worked as a patent attorney at the media lab. Not sure if he still does, but he did.

some external reference: https://www.media.mit.edu/videos/aaronsw-2013-03-12/


> Every platform that is public and anonmyous runs afoul of this, this isn't just twitter. You can look at Youtube comments, reddit, pretty much any forum.

We had ways of dealing with this on Usenet back in the day. 1) Thick skin, and 2) killfiles. Generally, killfiles weren't for people with whom you disagreed (though they could be, if you wanted), they were for people who were assholes.


> Free speech has a legal definition, and Twitter doesn’t qualify.

The legal definition of free speech is based on a moral principle, for which Twitter does qualify.

When a platform such as Twitter or Facebook becomes the de facto public square, then a ban from Twitter or Facebook is a de facto ban from the public square.

I don't care about Milo in particular, but I do care about the fact that censorship by Twitter or Facebook is real censorship.


LiveCode looks very attractive, but I have trouble comprehending your interpretation of the GPL.

At http://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/at-what-point-do-... you say: "The FAQ on the FSF website states that the GPL does not apply to code simply “executed with an interpreter”. LiveCode is far more than a simple language interpreter and each language call utilizes internal libraries within the platform. These libraries provide the platform’s entire functionality and rich feature set."

However, every interpreter works by making calls to "internal libraries within the platform" which "provide the platform's entire functionality and rich feature set." If an interpreter did not contain the code to do the things that the interpreted language can do, then it wouldn't do anything at all and it wouldn't be an interpreter.

While I find LiveCode attractive, this license weirdness makes me uncomfortable enough that I haven't explored it even for my Open Source projects. It's not often that I find license interpretations that make Richard Stallman look moderate.


Yikes! That's different!

But it still doesn't have the one feature that I've been wishing they would implement forever. In a collection of audio files, I wish they would provide a podcast feed. It would be so nice to be able to listen to Old Time Radio shows as podcasts.


That's a great idea, be sure to mail them about it at info@archive.org!


As I understand the code, an "Atom" is like a tagged pointer. It gets passed around by value, sometimes it contains the value itself (numbers), and sometimes it contains a pointer to something malloc'd. So an AtomType_Pair is an atom in the sense that it gets passed around by value like an atom, but it is a pointer to a malloc'd pair.

What strikes me is that Atom's are being copied by value all over the place, even when a good chunk of them don't matter. I don't know whether the optimizer can help with that or not, but it seems like there could be a lot of unnecessary copying during procedure calls and returns.


Do you intend to release the specifications for the protocol you are using? For example, would I be able to hook a computer with gnuradio up to a MURS radio and write software that could communicate with a goTenna?


This. I am super excited about the GoTenna because it is basically Ham Radio for the masses. But I'd also like to talk to GoTenna users with SDR or similar - in the spririt of non-encrypted ham communication.


We have an open SDK coming out soon -- you can sign up for developer updates at our website


That sounds like a way to write programs that use a bluetooth attached gotenna. Is that correct?

What I am asking is, could I talk to a gotenna using another radio setup of my own creation. Are you publishing enough information about gotenna for me to do that?


Netflix just keeps creeping one tiny step at a time farther and farther away from the awesomeness that they once were.

I used to love Netflix. I was a loving, loyal, evangelical customer and fan.

Now I just find them somewhat useful. In the future, who knows?


Completely agree with the sentiment.


The Serval Project is already working on this: http://www.servalproject.org/

Unfortunately, they are limited by Google's very long standing lack of response to requests to support peer to peer WiFi on Android. See https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82


It's a pity that there is no discussion of the fact that the 2 interpreters use different scoping. The 1st uses lexical scoping, and the 2nd uses dynamic scoping.

It's also a pity that there is no discussion of the “label” special form, even though its implementation was right there in the code being discussed. This is a very fertile area for conversation.

For example, why is it that McCarthy was able to implement recursive procedures with “label” so simply without using any assignment or mutation?


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