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Each of those things are a self contained domain in themselves and will require a few years of effort for reasonably smart people. The q question thus is, how much time are you willing to grind?


>> https://www.acm.org/code-of-ethics

It is worthwhile for us to read and reflect on the ACM Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct.*

* https://www.acm.org/code-of-ethics


That one requires a lot of free work. I believe that requiring others to work for free is morally wrong.


In case it's not obvious, this game was intended as satire. Reposting previous comment:

This seems like an appropriate moment to remember Cow Clicker[1], and reflect on it's lesson:

"The player is initially given a pasture with nine slots and a single plain cow, which the player may click once every six hours. Each time the cow is clicked, a point also known as a "click" is awarded; if the player adds friends' cows to their pasture, they also receive clicks added to their scores when the player clicks their own cow. As in other Facebook games, players are encouraged to post announcements to their news feed whenever they click their cow. A virtual currency known as "Mooney" can be bought with Facebook Credits; it can be used to purchase special "premium" cow designs, and the ability to skip the six-hour time limit that must be waited before the cow can be clicked again."

"Unexpectedly to Bogost, Cow Clicker became a viral phenomenon[...]Although continually disturbed by its popularity, Bogost also used Cow Clicker to parody other recent gaming and social networking trends;"

"'bovine gods' eventually revealed that 'Cowpocalypse' would occur on July 21, 2011 (exactly one year since the original release of the game). From then on, every click made by players would deduct thirty seconds from a countdown clock leading to the Cowpocalypse. However, players could extend the countdown clock by paying to supplicate with Facebook Credits: paying 10 credits would extend the countdown by a single hour, while 4,000 would extend the countdown by an entire month. After $700 worth of extensions, the countdown clock expired on the evening of September 7, 2011. At this point, the game remained playable, but all the cows were replaced by blank spaces and said to have been raptured. Bogost intended the Cowpocalypse event to signal the "end" of the game to players; when addressing a complaint by a fan who felt the game was no longer fun after the cow rapture, Bogost responded that "it wasn't very fun before."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Clicker


No doubt Bogost had offers to sell and/or saw avenues to zyngafy it to the max. He deserves a lot of respect for his (as I assume) crictial, scientific, maybe cynic but definitively ethical, human way to approach it. Ramp up the insanity and maybe teach people about the mechanisms of game addictiveness before shutting it all off.


I have the opposite perspective actually. He accidentally made something fun that a lot of people enjoyed, and instead of letting them run with it he closed it down out of, essentially, pique because he thought those people were having fun wrong.


I was his student around the time of release.

It was always an absurdist demonstrative to prove a point about the hazards that the game industry would soon be forced to confront.

It is now so apparent how shamelessly game developers will exploit human psychology instead of pursuing actual fun.. so it's not as useful of a warning.


Was anyone actually having fun -- in any meaningful sense of the word -- or were they just indulging compulsion. I think for a lot of (even very predatory) games, there's a blend between the two, but here's it seems to be nakedly the latter.


I take the view that if someone says they're having fun you should probably believe them. I've known people who talked about games like addicts, that they'd spend hours "playing" and the best they'd ever get out of it was feeling numb, but those were always "deeper" or at least bigger games (mostly LoL and WoW), not Cow Clicker or any of the similar games that emerged later.


It usually starts with it being "fun", because you so release endorphins from playing/winning. The stage where they're only feeling numb is extremely late when they're already hopelessly addicted.

Not all fun things are equal however, otherwise you'd have to classify taking drugs and directly supplementing "fun" hormones as the best entertainment in existence.


At the time I thought Cow Clicker would be an eye opening moment for the Game Design Gatekeeperati, but they doubled down. This turned the whole thing into performance art, with the unwilling professors of fun as part of the show.


Yeah because there’s a real vacuum of pretty looking but content free addictive micropayment games. A real big loss to society that has not been replicated that one.


Author seems to understand how a certain kind or degree of grief makes people crazy -- I spent a year or two in that sort of condition after a couple of untimely deaths in the family, (as well as a couple of other personal setbacks) when I was younger. I think some of the superficially negative reactions in this thread actually describe the authentic insufferable-ness of persons in such a state. They can become bitter, nihilistic, self centered, unreliable and just bizarrely ill-behaved. The story might seem overwrought and hard to believe, but I was really like that for a while, and couldn't seem to stop even when I knew it was happening.


"Kirill Krechetov[...]asks that his real name not be used out of concern for his safety."

'He was initially contacted several weeks before the summons letter landed in his mailbox – in the form of a message sent via the messaging service Viber: Kirill Ivanovich, we are waiting for you, Krasnodarski Krai, 10th Brigade of the GRU Special Forces."'

Uh, did they just expose his real name?


Ivanovich is a common middle name. And in russian language, when you want to refer to someone in a formal way, you use "Firstname Middlename" (unlike "Mr Lastname" in english). That's how you would refer to your school teacher, to your boss, to an acquaintance/someone you dont know closely, how a bank teller would talk to you, etc.

So, no, I doubt they doxxed him.


"Aragorn, son of Arathorn"


You joke, but that's pretty much how it is in Russian lol.

Unlike in English-centered naming conventions (and probably others, but I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on that), in Russian you dont really choose a child's middle name. It is always just father's name with slight suffix changes based on whether the person is a male (resulting in a -vich ending) or female (-vna ending).

For example, if your first name is Alexey, and you have a son and a daughter, their middle names will be Alexeyevich and Alexeyevna respectively.


I’d guess not. Ivanovich is the patronym of the pseudonym, the full pseudonym thus being Kirill Ivanovich Krechetov. Unless you meant Krasnodarski Krai which refers to a place, not a person.


Ivanovich is his (fake) patronymic, not last name.


I just thought no js just made the internet work better sometimes, and now you're telling me I can be smug about it too?

Now how much would you pay? :)


"Jeff Schaffer, the director of that Super Bowl spot, said in an email that he and Mr. David did not have a comment on the market collapse.

“Unfortunately I don’t think we’d have anything to add as we have no idea how cryptocurrency works (even after having it explained to us repeatedly), don’t own it, and don’t follow its market,” he said. “We just set out to make a funny commercial!”

Priceless.


>As a user, you can force allow zooming:

>In Firefox find the settings, select “Accessibility” and activate “Zoom on all website” >In Chrome find the settings, select “Accessibility” and check “Force enable zoom”

OMFG, thank you.


Moving to upper Michigan next week (Marquette area). Visited on a break from SF during lockdown, just bought a house. Me before closing: "It's great, shh, don't tell anyone." Me now: "It's great! Tell everyone!!11" ;)

Not too hot, not too expensive, not too on fire, plenty of water.


> Visited [Marquette] on a break from SF during lockdown

Do you happen to be in this All Gas No Brakes video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxwGi8bTO8


Classic. Guess they should've warned me to visit during spring break first instead of winter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Did you visit during winter?


Haha, everyone asks, and no! We visited first in the summer, and then bought the house sight unseen and showed up in February. We lived in Alaska for awhile though, so I think we're good -- it takes a lot of winter to impress me after Fairbanks.


>> most ad placement is profiled and personalized now

wow, really? you mean like on cable, different cable boxes fill the ad time slots with different targeted ads for different people?

(sorry if i'm being dense, i've never had my own cable)


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