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Why is collecting all this information suddenly OK as long as it's "only" used for Advertising purposes?

Is there a reason we also also forbid Google and FB from gathering this information? Or are their business models too important, and we can't decrease shareholder value?

Or since "the users" click-agreed the business model is absolved and it's okay! What could go wrong, ever?

Or, a modest proposal: we could agree that even corporations who sell HW/SW for personal devices shouldn't be allowed to collect this data, period. No one needs to mine our GPS history, messages, search, etc. Even if it means those who do it today makes less money.

Ads are fine, but maybe we agree it's fine if ads aren't quite as targeted, either.

I'm wondering if we might be better off with "punch the monkey" than hyper tracking and targeting.


Second oldest trick in the book: attack the messenger


But it's not "in reality". It's "with the mindsets and experience and architecture and tooling that are prevalent in the industry"...that's what takes more.

Any given project might not require large numbers people, the headcount driver might the process.

Where you have control, would recommend rethinking the model to look more like Whatsapp than to dismiss as an anomaly.


>a completely seamless order-and-pay-from-your-phone system because it doesn't exist.

(disclaimer: founder) Yes, this is literally what Zerocontact does. Contactless waitlist, menu, order, pay. Hybrid ordering so staff and guests can add items to one check. Fully supports courses. Add dessert at the end of th meal. Still, the customer has one check to pay (apple pay or google pay, or CC). We may even support your legacy POS or you can use ZC in standalone mode. It's a full order-management system for contactless on prem and off prem dining.


Website and service looks solid - would have definitely reached out had I seen this 6-8 weeks ago (and if our legacy POS wasn't such a disaster already).

We're negotiating with Toast at the moment since the offer the whole deal, hardware included, other than the ability to leave the guests' tab open once their order is started from their own device.


Good luck, I can imagine the cognitive dissonance. Many of their contracts dangle cheap / free hardware with expensive services and hidden over-priced processing in a bundled SAAS. And yet feature wise, it "does it all" except the very things you want it to do. (coursing and hybrid (open tab) ordering, and good guest experiences like apple pay on checkout). So you upgrade into something supposedly better but not actually what you wanted. If you get stuck, DM me (name in profile) and we can help you out with a full solution that actually does all the stuff. We've done >$1B orders so this is easy for us.


17 days ago we heard that 3,330 inmates tested positive, 96% without symptoms.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22980932

There was much speculation, but many people agreed that in 2 weeks we would have super interesting data.

It's been 17 days. We have an update from ohio.gov that tested individuals climbed to 7536, 4439 are positive (59%), total 49 deaths (.01)

Not an epidemiologist. Does this data fit the Diamond Princess model? Or more broadly, which model fits this data best?

Is there other data to show how many became symptomatic? How do we interpret this update, more than 2 weeks after initial reports?


> total 49 deaths (.01)

If you're going to report other ratios as percentages, could you please be consistent? I initially erroneously read this as 0.01% deaths, which would be an absolutely enormous update, but 1% isn't surprising at all.


Diamond Princess had a far higher percentage of older (over 70) people. I also would like to know if the HVAC system is as centralize in a prison as it is on a cruise ship.


HVAC is not the problem.

The problem is that prisoners routinely share common spaces. It doesn't matter how the air circulates, when they all cook, eat, work, shower, and exercise in the exact same communal rooms.

Combine that with insufficient sanitation, and it's a miracle that only half of them got sick.


HVAC might be a problem, there was a CDC article demonstrating how A/C was attributed to specific cases in China https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article


I agree that HVAC can cause spread. My point is that prison life does not allow for social distancing, and that the HVAC is irrelevant when everyone is living in essentially the same space.


Cruise ships are pretty similar in that people are eating and recreating in the same areas.


The number of "inmates currently Positive for COVID-19" is 1,112, not 4,439.

I think you're counting tests, not people. Those numbers double count inmates who receive multiple tests, and it's likely that those who have tested positive will receive frequent retests.

FYI there's just under 40k total inmates.


I'd like to know the ages of the deceased, and if they had any other serious health issues. If the majority of the deceased are indeed old or in poor health, perhaps isolating those from the general prison population would be a prudent precautionary measure to implement.


I keep seeing reports that after an outbreak has played out about 25% of infected never show symptoms and 60% have something between a mild cold and a bad case of influenza. The remaining 15% get really sick and ~1% die.

If you just look at the stats initially you run into the problem that a lot of infected are preasymptomatic are in the early course of infection. So retrospective stats are very important.


I’ve been thinking about the asymptotic cases in situations like this and the Roosevelt. I think if folks are monitored very closely for symptoms we might learn more about how it impacts people and what percentage of cases stay asymptotic.


Keep in mind this is deaths so far. This number will change as some may take more time to die. So maybe the radio could be around 1% to 2%.


What's the average number of natural/usual death, though. You have to subtract that. It might be small/none or substantial.


There have been other state prisons that have released prisoners that were severe cases, so as to lower their death numbers. Look for that.


Don't forget we can't really acquire complete mortality data until the coronavirus run their courses in infected individual.


Here's "Line busting" the drive thru 68+ cars deep. It's astonishing the WiFi goes out that far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQWyYQ0EYg

FWIW, also an edge approach, with Prometheus etc.


Slightly off-topic, but what's the reason that Americans all tend to line-up at the drive thru? I was in LA, there was a huge line at the drive thru, so we parked, went inside and got our orders really quickly.


The comfort of still being in your own space. For example, listening to your own music, no excursion for your kids to belabor, precisely don't have to park and get out.


Yeah, I think I would rather wait 10 minutes in my car than 5 minutes in line. I'm sure other people may feel differently. And something about the drive-thru still "feels" faster, even if it's not. I think it's just the idea that you get to pull out and be on your way after you've gotten your food.


At McDonald's at least the drive through is prioritised over walk ins. That said if the queue is still long it might be quicker to walk in. But inside if orders come at the same time they do the drive through order first.


Thanks for sharing that link. You can see from the product that neither the CEO (Adlink), President (Gannett), Dir or Eng (P&G) have any experience with vehicles.

I love that they are doing a hybrid stepside truck chassis with BMW engines but I hope they have something else. A public NASDAQ company that has $90M in paid-in capital but only $10M cash now, had better sell to stay alive. I hope they do. The basic idea is good; they need to execute.


What electrics have a "big problem with heating" and what are the other vehicles are in the class of "this one, with no insulation"?

Also what is your off-road experience, that you can say "you'll cut yourself on the door handles." _citation needed_


Why use Uber in Germany? I can call a Taxi on an app. That was the "big" invention by Uber, and now it's commoditized.

The idea that anyone can be an uber driver doesn't help me the passenger much, as long as I can get a ride.

OK, I get that in the US taxis are notoriously bad and generally older cars (and no Mercedes). But UberX just substitutes beat down American cars for a beat-down Prius, Kia and smaller cars. How great is that win?

I don't think the haughty arrogant attitude of Uber is good for any society.


It's hard for me to interpret this outside the 2017 pressure chamber of headlines/advertising. It's remarkable similar to a top of mind recall of "what last 10 news articles have you seen published recently?"

There are many good and important issues that didn't make the list, and I wonder if prompting or discussion would increase the breadth.

This seems to be the list of issues that many articles have been talking about for the last month. Things we're supposed to care about, because, social proof.

One can either believe news articles are crafted to deliver what we want to hear (appeal to our beliefs) or that we are remarkably adept consumers, champions and descerners of (unbiased!) truth.

9 out of 10 doctors agree!


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