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To everyone looking for alternatives, there are quite a few but strong alternatives. They are on a spectrum of complexity/privacy/convenience.

Android probably is not much different. But and this a big one, android devices are not tied to the host google OS and are waaaay way more open than Apple. This is because of Apple's ir tight grip on their hardware ecosystem and lobbying against right to repair. Also, the abundance of android phone makers means you get features at a variety of price points.

The OS options are LineageOS (my daily driver), CalyxOS worth more google support, microG lineage.

More different OS are Ubuntu touch (very active), postmarket OS with multiple frontends just like on Linux desktop, Manjaro Mobile, etc.

And hardware wise, there is Pine phone and Purism. But the more people paying for these, the more there is money for the competition.

Apple id already sitting on a staggering $200billion dollars. $200 billion.


Android devices are much more open than iOS devices. There are quite a few alternative OSs with much more privacy than Google and Apple

Unlike Apple, Android devices are not vendor locked into just one OS.


"regrets" :eye-roll: bunch of lying thieves sitting on $200billions of cold hard cash.

Manufactured obsolescence, walled gardens in the name of "user security", on and on.

No, no. You are not holding the phone right. It's not me, it's you. Apple is the epitome of gaslighting.


We need more people using Linux on desktop and pouring money into the Linux phone to justify these.

Voting with your wallet matters and works. It is why apple and Google still do so much marketing and hype about their phones and devices.


More monitoring of the normal citizen


https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28106549

>Infrastructure bill could enable government to track drivers’ travel data


Pretty soon housing your own infra and not using the mandated govt phone could be made a crime.

But think of the children and security of the society. Couple that with constant monitoring of your car and you can be monitored anywhere


It already is. You are only allowed to use specific wavelengths, and basically every modem is proprietary.


The amount global electronics waste the disablement of 2G and 3G is going to be astonishing. 15 years of perfectly working devices, rendered useless.

And no 5G is not a replacement. I can manage perfectly fine doing remote work with hangouts/zoom calls on 4G when needed and jumping to 3G/2G for calls and text. If you need security then you can jump on internet.

The 2G/3G spectrum is not open for amateur development.

5G is just for pushing more data faster down people's throats.

The only got feature out of 5G will be open RAN.

Another form of manufactured obsolescence.


I mostly agree. however: the turning off 2G & 3G : will free up frequencies to reuse in 4G which is more efficient (for the carriers) and better (for the users), no ?


Theoretically it could free up frequencies to reuse with 5G as well. A better question IMHO is, will they use one of those frequencies to provide better long-range coverage?


providing long range coverage might not be in the best interests of the service providers' pockets. might prefer to use fiber backhaul for long range.


How many of those who are saying that this is for the greater good could be bothered to call up and fight for local fiber. Comcast and ATT spend billions in a town and stall that and that ad campaign gets you side tracked.

Your inabilities at distinguishing the fake from truth shouldn't take away the night sky from all of us.

Go fight the big companies instead of sitting here and talking. Start a local WISP.

Stop waiting for the billionaires to save you.

This is exactly how the rich stay rich. By dividing us and preying on the natural resources.

Nobody goes and fights BSNL in India or the local telecoms in Philippines to establish better wireless links.

This is basically moving the goalposts from one duopoly to another one soon.

For those that haven't seen the sky, go take a trip to natural park. This is akin to saying, I don't use sea water because it is salty. Let some company mine to for oil, because it is for the "greater good"

Nobody should be apologizing for a company. Companies as is cause as much harm as possible. We need better regulation to put checks in these comments and rich ass billionaires who think the world is their toy.


Can you please make your points on HN without fulminating? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Flamewar rhetoric leads to less interesting discussion.


I want a mesh of satellites around the earth. I’m a normal guy who’s has wanted that before anyone was doing it. I don’t think I was brain washed by the billionaire sat mesh propaganda, probably because it doesn’t exist. Huh.

I don’t think your position is very strong. Your team isn’t very large. The vast majority of people live in super light polluted areas, light pollution that takes a way bigger bite out of the night sky than sats ever will. And they don’t seem to care. Plus you have the fact that this emerging space industry, the only part of which you seem to be able to appreciate is low earth orbit, will bring people closer to space than ever before. So who are you to deny space and astronomy enthusiasts of the future the opportunity to actually be in space and experience the stars from there?

For real. Minimal changes to the night sky especially for people (majority) who aren’t into space. Revolution in prices that cascades to space telescopes and actual space tourism and multi planetary society. have you lost your mind?


> I want a mesh of satellites around the earth.

I assume your motivation is (alongside with a bunch of us), "bring people closer to space than ever before", but you have provided no evidence, that polluting low earth orbit with arguably redudant satellites is a good approach.

You seem to imply that it will lead in "revolution in prices". I too, commend SpaceX for the landing boosters, but for now it doesn't reduce the price nowhere near enough to let humanity approach the space age. Starlink comparatively, IMO does nothing.

Space tethers, anyone?


There's a big difference. We can (and should) fix light pollution incrementally. Once we are dependent on satellite arrays, we will never fix it.


And just like that I get to be the authority on when I am tracked or not. Google is unethical in how it goes and hides it and papers over it.


Google aren't the good guys (no big company is good) but they are still one of the least evil big companies out there. Even Apple is more evil. Apple doesn't personalize ads, but they are instead working hard to kill open computing which is way worse than personalizing ads in my opinion. Of course to an individual who can easily afford them choosing Apple today is better for you, but Apple winning their war and implementing their vision is way worse to you than Google winning theirs.


> Google aren't the good guys (no big company is good) but they are still one of the least evil big companies out there.

May be it is their lobbying and marketing that has you convinced?

> Apple doesn't personalize ads, but they are instead working hard to kill open computing which is way worse than personalizing ads in my opinion.

Both these companies want to protect their core businesses and attempt to commodotize each others advantages all the time. It seems you are comfortable with personalised ads and that may be has skewed your opinion.


Yes it is when they go around marketing that they are the best social network out there

It is when a billionaire and a company of chosen few can weild so much power over people everywhere


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