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Its a startup. You will become fantastically rich as a founder/early employee if the startup takes over the world. You don't take over the world working a 9-5.

People entering this environment SHOULD know what they're signing up for. Its not like startups are the only jobs out there.


You will become fantastically rich as a founder/early employee if the startup takes over the world.

While this is still generally true for founders, it hasn't been true for early employees in over a decade. VCs decided to capture all of that surplus for themselves.


I think if we made starting up more accessible & possible, if healthcare & child card & housing weren't a mess, we'd actually see far far far far more positive world changing shit coming. And many tiers of merely good positive economic contributors below that.

Startups should be accessible. It's a fault & a problem that so many possibilities have been winnowed away. The glory of 120 hours a week is not the only path.


Health insurance coupled to employment is one hell of systematic advantage for large companies when competing for labor. Bigger company = bigger risk pool.


There is nothing wrong with being a startup and being solidly profitable, you know?

Only VC-backed startups need to "take over the world" because the VCs need their 10x rockstar.

A company doing $50 million per year with a handful of employees is going to be way more profitable for everybody than a VC-fueled rocket that has a 99% chance of flaming out. Remember MP3.com? Lots of San Diego tech people still do ...

I view the original assessment as "San Diego tech workers understand the reality of their value and can't be taken for a ride by venture capitalists--woe is me."

I found that San Diego tech workers generally have higher clue than most geographic areas.

The less experienced are very solid workers and learn really quickly. However, they're not 4 year Stanford students with filthy rich parents who can afford to go bankrupt multiple times. They're coming from community colleges and state schools, and they need to earn money. In return, they'll work their ass off for you.

In addition, there are quite a few very experienced greybeards scattered in that scene (tech in San Diego goes WAY back--Linkabit spawned a bunch and computers were huge early--Silicon Beach Software and PC Power and Cooling for example). However, they are going to demand appropriate compensation and will not put up with bullshit. I love working with them.

Don't like the San Diego tech scene? Your loss--my gain.


Nah the original assessment was too many San Diego tech workers would rather go surfing or play networked first-person shooter games than get something momentous done. There was always something more important to do than do the work and build the thing and make a difference in the world. I did the San Diego startup scene for 25 years. I worked at MP3.com; employee 12 I think. I also started 3 companies in La Jolla, was very active in the SD startup scene for many years. There are great engineers there, don't get me wrong. But the work ethic is simply different than SV, which is just the way it is, not gonna change. I don't think I'll ever do another startup in San Diego though. Elsewhere, sure, but not there.


Shout out to ComputorEdge magazine :)


Used to run ads in 1988-90 in ComputorEdge for my first startup (Coconut Computing; we ran the COCONET online service in San Diego then). Didn't they change their name to ByteBuyer? We used to call them ByteBuyor to pay homage to the original name.


Nice! Yes that final O was a bit idiosyncratic, I forget the reasoning for it. I listed my BBS in their directory.

My memory (a little misty) was that they started as ByteBuyer and then renamed to ComputorEdge. At least in 92 they were called ComputorEdge.

I did have a stash of them somewhere but haven’t seen them for a long time.

Nice to reminisce!


You're comparing a living superstar to someone who has been dead for over 40 years.


You're still incorrect. Those are "assets", the term "agent" isn't formally used anywhere in the IC


The whole "CIA agent" probably comes from "special agent" which is the title for US police investigators, who sometimes do work undercover, mostly on domestic policing matters. The CIA does have special agents, but it's mostly a desk job, and they are definitely not the clandestine operatives of the pop culture idea. (Most US federal agencies have special agents - even NASA has a little Office of the Inspector General.)


The FBI (and even the IRS) uses "agents" so I assume people extrapolated use of the term to all three-letter agencies.


Random aside, but ATF field personnel used to be 'Inspectors' and we had a pretty good working relationship during annual inspections and so on.

Sometime in the Post-9/11 era they transitioned to 'Investigators' and the majority of them got a big stick up their rear ends and it has become a trying, adversarial relationship every time they come out.


A case officer still runs agents.


It's significantly weakening one of the US's greatest geopolitical enemies for a small fraction of the US defense budget.

Even if you don't care about the US's geopolitical aims and want to reduce the defense budget, eliminating Russia as a military threat is the best justification for reducing the defense budget and stabilizing European democracy.


Russia is not a military threat though. It has an economy the size of Italy. Three US states each have bigger economies than Russia. The US blew past it on every level militarily, technologically, and economically decades ago.

It has nukes but Ukraine doesnt solve that.


>Russia is not a military threat though

Community Notes: Russia is literally invading a US ally right now.


So what?

USA is not the world police.

If there's no strategic interest or benefit I don't think I should have to work a few extra hours per week to help pay for that war.


>no strategic interest or benefit

There is a lot of strategic interest in the US helping against Russia.

>I don't think I should have to work a few extra hours per week to help pay for that war.

Then vote for different politicians or move countries.


These current politicians are continuing to skyrocket the national debt.

I don't have to vote for new politicians. I just have to wait for the dollar to collapse.


An absolutely disgusting response, to the point where I don't think you read the article or have a vested interest in preventing action.

This isn't about "the US recognizing the caste system" or even about who is responsible for it. It's about preventing very real, very tangible discriminatory effects happening to people TODAY, right now. When the time comes to prevent actual, quantifiable harm, slippery slope arguments and debates about the origin of the problem help absolutely nobody.


> It's about preventing very real, very tangible discriminatory effects happening to people TODAY, right now.

Draconian versions of such anti-discrimination laws exist in India. They are weaponized to settle personal scores to such an extent that the Supreme Court of India has had to step in on multiple occasions.[1][2]

This is a legitimate fear of those protesting against such laws in the US.

If you cannot handle caste discrimination cases without enacting a religion-specific law, that is a defect of existing laws that the relevant authority should fix.

[1] "Civil dispute can’t be converted to a case under SC/ST Act: SC (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/civil-dispute-cant...)

[2] "Insulting, abusing SC/ST person not an offence under SC/ST Act unless victim abused on account of caste: Supreme Court" (https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/insulting-abusin...)


I used to work at the Rochester LLE! I never worked on capacitor logistics, but I heard that it was a PITA to work with local utilities to get those on the grid (but nowhere near as much as the PITA to get that building zoned for Brighton in the first place)


The Google Distributed Cloud Hosted project is a non-borg port of GCP that could be run by anyone.


The mods have all the leverage. They’re literally volunteer workers, they can quit their duties with no real downsides.


Speaking from experience: You can work your ass off from a beach. If anything, I'm more likely to do so


That was true 5+ years ago, but these days I can easily name 20+ companies that pay roughly the same or more at the senior level.

Half your compensation at FAANG is name recognition for your resume.


Name the 20+ companies that have faang level compensation.


E5/L5 compensation is relatively similar across the board for normal performers ($350k-$450k). Once you get into the E7+ compensation levels, then you start to notice a real differences.


I'd like a list of companies with $350k+ comp please ...


Check out levels.fyi or candor.


I just did. There was exactly one other company that paid like a FAANG for staff engineer in my non-SV location and it was another FAANG.


List them!


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