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Good. The more this happens, the more people will realise that contracting out your critical services to a company with virtually no support and a false reputation isn't a good idea. It also undermines "the cloud" which is a good thing IMHO.

Sorry but I have little sympathy and I don't want to hear the "well it works for me excuses" and the financial advantage crap.




This is an annoying stupid comment.

Yeah, let's ignore the success stories and the financial benefits because it what is sort of a race scenario, Google's support failed. This seems like a bug and resolvable as noted by others in the thread.

You have a really obvious chip on your shoulder.


No I'm just well versed in business risk assessment and sound engineering decisions.

If we were to deploy google apps and that happen we'd be down approximately £120,000 a day (we actually make money).


If you're so well versed in business risk assessment then you surely have heard of the advanced concept called having a backup plan.


Yes for data. Data is easily recovered, but under the circumstances that your cloud apps suddenly become instantly unavailable, how do you recover your applications?

You don't - you have to migrate and retrain everyone, which if you've used all the features in your cloud platform requires major process and tooling rewrites.

With an offline solution, you can shelve it and migrate slowly. When someone else hosts it, you're at their mercy.


how do you recover your applications?

You mean google apps? Well, you could keep a local copy of office around, it's not exactly rocket science.

When someone else hosts it, you're at their mercy.

And when you host it, you're at your own mercy.

Matching the availability of google tends to cost a little more than a hypothetical day of downtime would.

There are plenty valid concerns about hosting your office in the cloud. However, availability and TCO are normally the main arguments for google apps, not the other way round. Those infrastructure costs really add up when you're talking thousands of seats.


OK what about Google Apps Script, Forms etc? You're stuffed there. That's where the rocket science starts to kick in. It's not as simple as it looks. Oh and as part of the cost cutting, can you afford to splash out for Office company-wide suddenly out of the blue?

If you have thousands of seats, you should have the budget lying around to do it properly and a team of people to handle it. The TCO if you include risk is an order of magnitude lower if you manage it yourself. I've done the figures enough times for enough companies to know this.

Most companies operate "on the line". An event like this would take them offline permanently.


Well, no idea how you calculate that. Google would have to be down several days every year only to offset the staffing costs for running your own equivalent to google apps. And that's not even getting into hardware, licenses and the expensive windows-lockin that everyone seeks to escape nowadays.

I guess we'll just have to agree on disagreeing here.


And can you point to a single case of this happening, ever?


Yes we lost a couple of servers and associated data in a fire thanks to no DR policy and it caused the loss of a major contract worth 1.4m GBP a year.

That's when they employed me to fix it all and make sure that it was engineered properly and that there was a DR policy in place.

You can't have a DR policy in place for functionality that cannot be moved from the cloud so imagine the above with no hope of recovery.


I see no obvious chip. If cloud apps and data can become unavailable with no immediate support response, they shouldn't be critically used by a business that desires to stay in business, period. For non-critical apps the cloud could be fine.




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