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So how soon until we start seeing developers fix these gaping holes? And, more importantly, how soon do we start seeing app-specific exploits that take advantage of this problem?



Probably as soon as certificate validation is more reliable.

I can see turning off validation for stuff where you're sending non-important data to a third party which may or may not be encrypted (asyncronous API pings where you say "something happened, ask us [securely] what it was") - but that's only OK if you're just as willing to send the info over an http connection as well.

If you turn off cert validation in your app to your own API, something is seriously wrong. Unfortunately, it often comes down to simply buying a more expensive certificate that's signed by a root CA with wider trust. Given spending $50 or CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER=false, a scary number of people will choose the latter.

These libraries should provide an easy way to specify an additional root CA when validating the chain of trust - that way you could even use a self-signed cert without disabling the chain of trust check, all you'd have to do is embed your self-signing public key.

Probably more important, there should be clearer error messages when the SSL chain verification. Cryptic "verify the CA cert is OK" messages don't help much; they should say "SSL CA [name] is not in the installed trusted certificates, add trust for it with CURLOPT_CAINFO, details at example.com/ca.html" or something along those lines.

It may cause issues with root CA revocation (DigiNotar anyone?), but it's still better than disabling the checks entirely.


If the SSL/TLS server is properly configured with all of the nodes in the certificate chain, you don't need to buy more expensive certs.

Now I will say that, most common apps (Apache HTTPD + mod_ssl for example), do not make this process as clear as it should be. Specifying cert order wrong in the Intermediate Chain file will still break cert validation for some apps, because it's sent out exactly as the server admin configures (and this fact is often lost of folks who maybe touch their certs once a year when they expire).


There's no standard as to which certificate issuers have their trusted root CA cert installed. If your clients don't have it on their machines (desktops, phones, servers, whatever) it doesn't matter what you paid.

My point was that the more widely-trusted issuers (meaning installed by default on the most OSes) can get away with charging more because they're more compatible.

There's nothing stopping you from setting up your own root CA and self-signing, maintaining a full chain of trust if you build the certs right (I've done it; once you have the process documented well it only takes a few minutes) but unless the clients trust the lowest link in the chain (not the case for self-signed, and some cheaper issuers) you'll still get validation errors.


>Unfortunately, it often comes down to simply buying a more expensive certificate that's signed by a root CA with wider trust. Given spending $50 or CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER=false, a scary number of people will choose the latter.

What is a trusted and reputable CA that offers cheap certificates ? Is this even a possibility or do all the CAs charge according to how reputable they are ?


I haven't done extensive research so I can't help a whole lot. I use StartSSL for some personal stuff which is free and have heard good things about NameCheap, but I don't know how widely-installed either of their root CA certs are.

Any issuer with a widely installed root CA can basically charge whatever they want.


I got an email a few days ago from Amazon suggesting that I should upgrade my code if I was using one of their several payment code examples. I'm assuming this is in response to some responsible disclosure having happened.

Sent me to: https://payments.amazon.com/sdui/sdui/about?nodeId=201033780...


> So how soon until we start seeing developers fix these gaping holes?

Some, lynx for example, seem to have been fixed a long time ago.




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