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Why 4x8 and 6x8 are, surprisingly, some of the hardest times tables to remember (justinmath.com)
17 points by JustinSkycak 18 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 15 comments



Maybe I'm a bit abnormal or had some kind of mild defiance disorder as a student in the 80s. Despite testing high and being told I was "gifted", I never could memorize the multiplication table. I learned the diagonal (the squares) up to 11x11, but even as an adult am more likely to fast-forward through some sequential calculations in my mind rather than trust a memorized answer.

For something like 6x8 I'll still almost immediately decompose it into either 2x(3x8) or 6x8 = 8x8 - 2x8 = 64 - 16. And if I did the latter, I'd second guess myself as to whether I'm going to make fence-post errors in the subtraction.

Even something basic like 5x7 I might mentally turn into 5x5 + 5 + 5 and just mentally step through the answer 25..30..35 on a number line. I get more error prone when incrementing by 7.

As an aside, it kind of blew my mind when I discovered that my wife seems to work a completely different way "in floating point". She'll often come out with a good answer for the mantissa but having lost track of the exponent. My mental calculations don't work this way at all.


You can do it with spaced repetition, I think Anki has a pre-made set somewhere that also has division and both ways around (to improve your instant recall).


I was forced (thankfully) to commit everything under 12x12 to just rote memory, is that not widespread?


For old-school software developers 4*8 is easy because both numbers are powers of 2. I compute expressions like that as 2 ^ ( log2(4) + log2(8) ) = 2^(2+3) = 2^5


Took me the longest (about 40 years) to memorize 7x8. Before being able to memorize it, I would usually add 7 to 49. For some reason, the squares stuck in my mind rather easily. So, 7x7 and 8x8 are easier. I cannot remember having problems with 4x8 and 6x8. Maybe because 48 is double of 24, which is double of 12. I have to say that my performance IQ is much higher than my verbal IQ.


Same here! 7x8 was the outlier (and 8x7 also). Stubbornly resistant to memorization.


The conclusion is (or, rather, was) invalid for Soviet Russia. The reason is that a song for children by Eduard Khil specifically mentioned 6x8=48.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMHWtregmw (at 1:38).


This is fascinating. So it looks to me like the proposals is that our brain has a map from 6 -> "multiples of 6" and 8 -> "multiples of 8" and it triggers both nodes, and that our brain then finds the MOST stimulated node (i.e. numbers that are multiples of both 6 and 8).

Because 24 is a multiple fo 6 and 8 it's causing interference.

This seems believable, curious if there's hard data on this (that indeed 6x8 is the hardest and other numbers with shared multiples) but not curious enough to look it up.


Linked in the article:

Campbell (1987) The role of associative interference in learning and retrieving arithmetic facts

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247981688_The_role_...


I typically never remember 6 x 8, so I rearrange it to make it easier to compute in my head, like so:

  6(8) 
  = 6(10 - 2) 
  = 60 - 12 
  = 60 - (10 + 2) 
  = 60 - 10 - 2 
  = 48


You can also use difference of squares. 6*8 = (7-1)*(7+1) = 7^2-1 = 49-1 = 48.


I go:

    6x8
    5x8+8
    40+8
    48


My own mnemonics relies on arithmetic progressions for these two:

- 6x8 = 48 : 4-6-8

- 7x8 = 56 : 5-6-7-8


7*8=56 was easy for me since you had 5678 in the given numbers.

This is my easy to hard ranking: (I memorized to 15's, not that it was very useful, just more of a self-imposed boredom challenge)

1's, 10's, 2's, 5's, 9's, 3's, 7's, 4's, 11's, 12's, 6's, 8's, 13's, 14's, 15's


in hex, they're among the easier ones to remember!




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