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Have you compared and contrasted Java and C# (especially with regards to let's say larger frameworks)?

Both of those put a strong emphasis on types, but only one of those (it's Java) is the sort of language that really attracts developers that love types like AbstractWidgetBoundaryFactoryWrapperFactory.

I can definitely understand the "Citizen Kane" effect of looking at a modern Java framework and going "yeah looks just like any other language, except with types and IDE support". Java didn't get there from nowhere. It got there after 20 years of being overly verbose and frustrating to work with.




Then haven’t seen some old .NET codebases. Both languages around the high of OOP-hype made similar monstrosities, but neither does it anymore.




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