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One year old thinks magazine is a broken iPad (cnet.com)
171 points by inshane on Oct 13, 2011 | hide | past | favorite | 83 comments



To say she thinks the magazine is a broken iPad is quite a leap. There is nothing to indicate that she thinks it is an iPad. And there is nothing to indicate that she thinks it is "broken".

She is simply trying familiar gestures on a similar looking media.

Give her magazines for the next couple of days and you may find she tries to turn the iPad over looking for other pages. It's not because she thinks the iPad is a broken magazine. It's simple familiarity. First we try what we know. Failing that, we begin to experiment.


Here's a great TED talk discussing how babies this age go about learning how to deal with the world. Essentially there's a lot of experimentation as other folks have commented on but there's a part towards the end about how they seem to use a super sophisticated statistical model of the world to figure out the odds of things working. http://www.ted.com/talks/alison_gopnik_what_do_babies_think....


Exactly. The only thing that this video proves is that she has the right reaction by analyzing and experimenting with different objects. That's how we learn.


The best part of this was when she tested to see if her finger was still working. This kid is awesome.


My son (not quite 2) engages in all these same behaviors. He pokes things, points at things, touches things, checks to make sure his finger is still attached, pokes things some more... and he's been doing it since long before he was allowed to touch the tablet computer.

Sometimes when he touches, say, pictures in a newspaper or magazine, he's just trying to get daddy's input (same as when he touches something in a board book.) He touches a picture, and I'll say "it's a blue car!" or "what a furry kitty!" You might mistake it for "thinking the newspaper is a broken tablet", but not for long.


We're all born scientists. Then religion and TV happen.


Don't forget school!


Real scientists learn on the street.

Or more seriously, please take that attitude outside and burn it... :(



I must have seen that before because I've tried to read everything C&H, but I don't remember it. Thanks.


I like that a lot. I think TV is like fiction in book form, it has it's benefits and it's evils but nonetheless, I really like that.


I wouldn't even read that much into it. Infants learn a whole range of new gestures as they get finer motor control.

Newborns flail around not even knowing they've got arms. Then they learn to guide their arms and hit things. Then they grab. After a while they develop a sort of lobster pinch with the thumb against four fingers and can pick things up. Then they develop the thumb and forefinger pinch and can gently manipulate small things.

I'm pretty sure my nine-month old son would behave just like this, even though he's never seen an iPad. In his technologically-deprived state he contents himself with examining crumbs and bits of fluff from the carpet.


When I was her age, I knew that grilled cheese sandwiches worked in VHS players.


When I was a little older I learned that remotes belong in microwaves.

My parents learned that VCR remotes where expensive in the early 90s.


Thus proving toaster ovens are the future of video media... or something like that.


I don’t quite understand what your issue is. The language in the video doesn’t seem at odd with your statements.


It was supposed to be seen as a joke to show how the new generation kids will really look at magazines as "broken touch screen".

<quote>And there is nothing to indicate that she thinks it is "broken".</quote> ..


Notice that the kid is interacting with the magazine outside but the iPad inside.

Ergo, the iPad is a magazine that is broken when you try to use it outside in the sunlight.

(This is mostly a joke, but if we want to go assigning meaning willy-nilly to these videoclips, this one fits too).


A week or so after first encountering a Kinect, with its combination of gesture and voice recognition, my little boy was using a restaurant toilet with a touch-free flush, and after realising that it had flushed itself in response to his standing up, he turned round and said "toilet: flush!" to see if it also had voice control.

My son - admittedly the child of geeks, so maybe a little ahead of the curve - is growing up in a world where screens have always responded to touch; where devices can usually react to being tilted or moved; where you can control things through speaking, or gesturing.


My kid tries to pinch zoom everything. Laptops, books, television remotes.


You have to admit, the discoverability of pinch-to-zoom is almost nonexistant. It's impossible to tell if something supports it without trying.


Exploratory trying is a form of discoverability. Plus the whole social context of learning new gestures through friends using similar devices.

I looked at a Blackberry Playbook at the store and tried to use it without having ever seen anyone else use one before. I spent a good 10 minutes trying to figure out how to close an app before finally looking it up online with my iPhone.


Maybe I used the wrong word. Affordances? The "affordance" of pinch-to-zoom is a flat surface.


Same thing here. My daughters (1 and 2) walk up to the TV, and try to swipe to the next photo or touch the video to pause it.


What amazes me is how GOOD my son is on the iPad and iPhone. He turned 2 in June. He can unlock the phone, knows the passcode, can get into any app and knows the "flick" gesture. On his iPad, he can navigate to his Sesame Street episodes or random Pixar movies.

I learned computers on an Apple IIe and a Mac, and this is basically that for him. To think that by next year we'll have retina iPads, by the time he's "using" computers for things like school, it'll be like really bright paper.


Next to the staggering complexity of learning how to drive a human body, and learning human language more-or-less from scratch, flicking, logging in, and getting to favorite episodes is a parlor trick. The only reason we think it's amazing is because of the number of adults we interact with that have decided that they are "technologically incompetent" and refuse to interact with technology and just throw their hands up. If 2-year-olds benefit from anything here, it's not coming with pre-existing notions of what they can't do.

Which can also be overromanticized; my two-year-old once demonstrated that he did not have a preconception about how unwise it is to stand up on a kitchen chair and throw yourself at the back with all your strength. He has what you might call a postconception now.

I think this shock that a two-year-old could drive an iPad in simple ways says more about the adults and the poor quality of their ideas about children than much about the children themselves.


I learned computers on a Mac+. At two I could load the disk into the drive, load up Paint Shop Pro, "paint" a painting.

The lesson isn't that iDevice's (or apple products) are amazingly intuitive -- it's that 2 year olds are quite smart and good at learning/playing/exploring.


You weren't watching and consuming full length feature films on a Mac+. Neither was I.

Context is one thing (i.e., mouse, keyboard, MacPaint) and I agree that two year olds adapt to context amazingly.

Media is another thing entirely though. Context and media in intuitive ways will have far reaching ramifications.


Ah, so you're complaining that he was actively interacting with his target program (painting) instead of passively interacting with it (watching and 'consuming' a film, whatever 'consuming' means in that context).

Depending on which way you want to spin it, you could claim the ipad is better (omg! kid does less work and gets to sit back entertained!) or worse (omg! kid has lost the ability to actively create something, become a passive consumer instead!).


No I wasn't diminishing anything i was just saying the context of interaction and media consumption changes dramatically and what is normal for a two year old to figure out on their own will likewise change dependent on the affordances of the tools.


But that's because there weren't full-length feature films for Mac+.


"his iPad"

My kids will often unlock my phone to get at the Peppa Pig game but something inside me still thinks it's not right that a 2yo has his own iPad. I don't know what. It's probably irrational but I can't help feeling that books and posters are more appropriate. Of course, time will tell. I wonder if the games and interactive media on an iPad might shorten the already minuscule attention span of children :-\

Edit to add: I didn't want this to sound like I was critical of your parenting. In fact I'm probably jealous. We bought a poster on the Solar System for our 3.5yo daughter because she spotted Jupiter next to the moon yesterday and wanted to know what it was. And now I wonder whether I should have tried to buy an iPad and StarWalk?!


He has his own iPad (a first generation WiFi only) because we wanted to lock it down so he couldn't delete apps, etc.

He uses it for reading practice, coloring, watching movies, playing music. It's been great for cognitive development, letter identification, and especially music, which is his favorite thing.

I've learned to not discuss parenting on Hacker News however. Yikes.


This is what it'll look like though. Till now we've debated about putting computers in classrooms. Now it's going to be ridiculous to consider stripping him of his many computers, especially when taking him to the learning place.


Yup. I clean tiny swipe prints off of my TV every time I'm done babysitting my 18 month old niece.


Hey, my gf (25yo, ph.d in medecine), sometime try to zoom by pinching my macbook screen.. it takes 1-2 secs for her to realize "oh right, this is not the ipad". We always laugh of these moments :D

To be honest, I'm surprised there's not more touchscreen a little bit everywhere. I.e. On the coffeemachine, microwave, etc. It makes it so damn easier as you're not forced to use 1 interface to cover all use cases.. you can simply use a hierarchical smart interface.


My microwave is already "touch". Why would it need a screen?


I print everything on a color printer, and more than once I've tried to click on a blue link. And that was BEFORE touch screens.


Wait for the next macbook. Then it'll work.


Also, possibly a 1-year old kid who likes to poke and grab things.


Except grab things without grabbing them. The kid was doing the pinch gesture without pinching the paper. It doesn't look like grabbing to me, so much as gesturing. The paper would have crinkled if it had been grabbing.


Whenever I show a friend a Kindle, their first instinct is to try to turn the page or click a menu option. I think for adults we just assume all electronics are touch screens now.


Totally true. And the Kindle Touch will just make it worse.


Yep, I had to work hard to break myself of the habit of tapping my new kindle's screen.


The child seems to understand turning pages, strangely enough.


The other day I was reading a printed version of the NY Times and I caught myself trying to flick scroll a column with my index finger once I reached the fold.

It made me smile.


related but happened to me: once I tried to open my house door with my car remote key =)


27 year old thinks his house is a broken car?


31 year old tries to "full screen" wife.


that happened to steven wright too. except that his house started. so he took it for a drive. parked it on the freeway and screamed at everyone to get off of his driveway.


When my daughter was one years old she thought the box that the iPad came in was a broken iPad. I didn't jump to any conclusions about the superfluousness of packaging or my daughter's inability to understand a world with boxes.

I did, however, tell her to think outside of the box. She didn't get the joke. Probably because she was one. Also, the joke wasn't that funny.


Last Christmas we bought a laptop for my nephew. Few days later came to my wife to ask her how to save a file.

- You just need to click on the "diskette" icon. - Aunt, what's a "diskette"?

I bet in few years most UX designers will use the Dropbox logo instead of a diskette icon to show where you need to click to save a file :D


What does a one-year old do on an iPad (or other tablet for that matter)?

For those who are parents--are there certain apps/games you let your young ones play around on? Or, is the behavior demonstrated by the child in the video learned primarily by way of observation?


Definitely. There's a number of blogs dedicated to apps for toddlers. Not sure about a one-year-old, but my two-year-old was finger painting, dragging letters onto words, and rearranging dinosaur parts, and browsing YouTube for videos of trash trucks (he got his older sisters to enter the search terms). My original iPad is basically a dedicated kid computer. The older kids write school papers on it (Pages + keyboard dock), the younger kids play games (educational and otherwise) and sometimes Netflix videos. We do have an XO laptop, and it only gets dug out of the bin when one of the kids is playing "going to work" and needs a faux laptop to lug.


I love the idea that little kids who love watching garbage trucks are now getting their older siblings to go find Youtube videos of them.


Imitating their parents. Something that I believe is quite deep in our brains, children can't help it. My daughter imitates how my wife picks up the phone when she answers a call. It is hilarious they are a perfect little mirror for all the things you constantly do. They copy them like a true comedian, overdoing the most significant aspect and dismissing the "context" that make you feel normal while usually doing them.


Look up an app called "Rattle". My kid figured that one out at six weeks.

Also, "pocket pond" style things work pretty well with infants. Basically anything where stuff happens when you touch the screen. Though it helps to pick apps where it's difficult to pull up blocking menus. It's amazing how quickly a random-clicking toddler will find his way to the purchase screen in the App Store in most apps.


My one year old loves looking a pictures on the iPad. But she is really just as fascinated with flicking the home screens back and forth and seeing what happens when she presses the different little pictures.


I know of one 1yo who loves scrolling back and forth on pages of text on his parents' iPods.


I remember reading an article of the difference between 2 year olds and 3 year olds. A two year old will see a picture of a shoe and try to put their foot in it whereas a 3 year old realizes that the picture is only a picture.

I imagine the 1 year old in the video is also falling into the 2 year old trap. But as people have commented this is just how learn and how our brains develop.


Pointing, swiping and pinching is perfectly normal for a 1 year old. It has nothing to do with touhcscreens.


The psychological development of children is amazing. If only they became potty trained sooner.


I haven't gone so far as to do it physically, but I have felt the subconscious niggle to pinch-zoom something in a magazine a little while after a heavy browse of tumblr or ffffound... Very odd & disconcerting.


She is not very effective in using that iPad, though.


You should see my niece, 18 months old. She can unlock my iPad and find Netflix or Angry Birds as fast as I can. Now of course she needs help past that, but still.


The cognitive leap to associate moving a mouse or keyboard (in your hand) with stuff going down on a screen is significant compared to just touching something you see and it moves. The former represents how we typically interact with a computer, the later how we interact with everything else.

It's actually kind of amazing that Apple made both those interaction types - Apple 2 was THE FIRST time you had a keyboard + screen, and the iPhone/iPad are(perhaps more arguably) the most successful implementations of touch screen interaction.


Apple 2 was THE FIRST time you had a keyboard + screen

I raise you Douglas Englebart and a decade earlier.


Yeah sorry - I clearly should have said in terms of an affordable easy-to-use device for the masses (the same being true for the iPhone/iPad).

Edit: Just went a found Engelbart's lecture at Stanford - it's incredible http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html


"Apple 2 was THE FIRST time you had a keyboard + screen"

Are you shitting me?

Edit: Makes more sense with the 'affordable' qualifier though it is still debatable as a "FIRST".


I'm actually quoting Steve Wozniak, but sorry, I should have made clear I meant for an affordable consumer device. Apologies.

Edit: No doubt, to be totally honest it's not an area I really know too much about, I just have Steve shouting "THE FIRST" engraved in my memory from a few years ago...


Ready for oblivion: once I had a (sleeping)dream that I was using the mouse to touch and move things in my room.


As a parent, I would be very wary of exposing a child that small to any screen for extended periods of time.


As a soon-to-be-parent: why?


I think because "screens" are 2-D and little kids need to learn that things are 3-D. Also, screens don't have texture. Everything on a screen is artificial, which is fine once you understand what it is trying to represent, but not before.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/health/19babies.html

And yes, it's not clear that iPads are a problem. But it's not clear that they aren't, and you are messing around with their brain wiring.


my nephew, before he could speak full sentences would point to things and say "click." "Click" was his all-encompassing verb. When he wanted cereal, he stood next to the fridge, pointed up to the cereal box and screamed "cliiiiiiiik."


What really bothered me was the uploader credited Steve Jobs with coding something.


He also referred to her "OS", which as a human, she does not have: so he was speaking metaphorically.


I wasn't being 100% direct either. The author still credited, or better yet, blamed Jobs for something he didn't actually do-- design the iPad. It seems pretty common, at least with non-techheads, that "Steve Jobs" is used interchangeably with "Apple".


On the other hand, it seems pretty common for techheads to misunderstand what "design" is. I'd say Steve Jobs designed the iPad the same way Frank Gehry designs his buildings: by conceptualizing it and sketching the overall design, leaving the details to his aides.


What was the "design" then? A sketch of a really thin tablet PC? That doesn't seem so creative or innovative to me. I think more credit is due to the engineers who brought it to life. Moreover, I haven't actually seen any sketches done by Jobs. I'm not saying they don't exist; I just haven't seen any.


So someone on the Internet thinking that Steve Jobs used to code really bothers you? Perspective, friend, perspective...


Not necessarily this one instance, but many people that I've talked to tend to credit Jobs with many technical achievements, if not everything Apple ever did.




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