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So they claim. But:

A. I'm an environmental studies major and anytime I present evidence that plants are aware of suffering, it is ignored and dismissed.

B. I was homeless for nearly 6 years. A so-called ethical vegan I knew (who wasn't actually a full-time vegan and ate vegetarian, not vegan, as convenience suited them) happily and enthusiastically added to my suffering during that time. Given how often ethical vegans gleefully psychologically torture their non vegan fellow humans over their failure to be vegan, I have zero reason to believe this individual's cruelty towards me was some wild aberration in the veg- community.

Please note the other comment here by someone using terms like no reason to believe, logically and a failure of analysis. The subtext of the framing celebrates this western idea that intelligence is everything.

So we can presumably agree to disagree at this point.




"I'm an environmental studies major and anytime I present evidence that plants are aware of suffering, it is ignored and dismissed."

As it should be. When you say "pain" and "suffering" you mean in in no similar way to your own pain and suffering whereas vegans do. You're co-opting the language of ethics to try and point out hypocrisy. Also, let's apply some logic here and acknowledge that far more plants are "harmed" to make animal food products than plant food products, thus it's still consistent for ethical people to eat a plant based diet.

"I have zero reason to believe this individual's cruelty towards me was some wild aberration in the veg- community."

Vegans are defined by caring for the well being of others. That gives us every reason to think that a vegan would care more than anyone else about the well being of others. Your anecdote about a vegan who was mean to you once is something you shouldn't use to draw conclusions about an entire group of people.


No, she wasn't "mean to me once." She was consistently cruel over quite a long period of time at a time when my life was very much in the toilet.

Downplaying what was done to me when you were not there in no way fits with your claim of superior kindness and caring. It quite contradicts it.




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