On: Programming languages, operating systems, despair ...

[chc]

We can all agree that current programming languages have a lot of warts, but then he gets to his list of BARE MINIMUM features a language must have and the rant takes a hard left into Crazytown. Social networks and to-do lists as first-class, language-level features — not even a social network standard library, but a whole subset of the language dedicated to social networks and to-do lists.

It sounds like what he wants is a DSL, because the language he describes would be useless to most people who aren't in his exact position.

[nailer → chc]

I do most of my work in infrastructure, and I'd find first class objects for IPs, networks, and humans useful.

[oconnor0 → nailer]

What advantages would first class IPs, networks, & humans bring over the ability to make first class objects for anything?

[nailer → oconnor0]

Standards. I can get a random module and know it expects these objects to have the same properties and methods I do.

[chc → nailer]

That would work just as well if they were part of the standard library, wouldn't it?